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Home My WebLink About1994 Request for additional informationh. WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT May 2, 1994 Henry Dean, Executive Director John R. Wehle, Assistant Executive Director POST OFFICE BOX 1429 PALATKA, FLORIDA 32178-1429 TELEPHONE 904/329.9500 SUNCOM 904/866.4580 FAX(19LECUTIVEILEGAL) 3704123 (PERMITTING) 3204315 (ADMINISTRATONIRNANCE) 32&0.508 FIELD STATIONS 616 E. South Stmet 7775 Saymeadowe Way PERMITTING: OPERATIONS: Orlando, Fledda WWI Su3e 102 305 EM Dd" 2133 N. Wickham flood 407/897.4300 JatluonWb, Fbdda 32256 Meboume, Fbdda 32906 Meboume, Fbdda 32635-6109 904M (1d 70 4077984 9/0 4072541762 CERTIFIED MAIL NO.: P 843 245 551 Attn: Chris McCarthy City of Sebastian P.O. Box 780127 Sebastian, FL 32978 RE: Request for Additional Information Consumptive Use Permit Application No. 2-061-0152 ANGRF Section: 2 Fleming Grant Township: 31S Range: 38E County: Indian River Project: Sebastian Golf Course Dear Mr. McCarthy: The staff has reviewed your response to the District's request for additional information received on April 4, 1994. Unfortunately, the following technical information is lacking to sufficiently review the possible impacts the project may have on the surrounding area. Pursuant to the authority vested in the St. Johns River Water Management District under Chapter 373.229(1)(i), F.S., and Sections 40C-2.101 and 40C-2.301, Florida Administrative Code (F.A.C.). The following information is requested: The proposed orifice invert is at an elevation of 15.5 ft. N.G.V.D., however, the existing culvert is at an elevation of 16.0 ft. N.G.V.D. It appears that the maximum use of the surface water for irrigation will be compromised given the proposed elevation of the orifice. Please explain the design intent. [Paragraph 10.3(e,g); A.H.] 2. Please provide eitherthe seating capacity or the square footage of the clubhouse for District staff to determine a sufficient allocation for household use from well no. 2. [Paragraph 10.3(a); A.H.] In accordance with paragraph 40C -2.101(3)(b), F.A.C., if the applicant desires to dispute the necessity for any information requested on an application form or at a pre -application conference, he may do soat a regularly scheduled regulatory meeting of the Governing Board. An applicant should submit a written request to Patricia T. Harden, CHAIR Lenore N. McCullagh, VICE c"R Jesse J. Parrish, III, TREASURER William Segal, SECRETARY SANFORD ORANGE PARK TITUSVILLE MAITLAND Reid Hughes Dan Roach Denise M. Prescod Joe E. Hill James H. Williams DAYTONA BEACH FERNANDINA BEACH JACKSONVILLE LEESBURG OCALA present evidence regarding such dispute at least 21 days prior to the regulatory meeting at which he plans to present the evidence. Please be advised, pursuant to subsection 40C-1.605(5), F.A.C., any application which has not been technically and administratively completed within sixty (60) days from the date of receipt of a request for additional information by the District, will be prepared for an Intent to Deny at the Governing Board meeting. If you require more than sixty (60) days, please indicate the circumstances to the staff in writing. For good cause shown, the application shall be held in active status for one additional period of up to 60 days. In order to expedite the review of your application, please include the District's permit application number on all cover correspondence and submit three (3) copies of all requested information unless otherwise indicated by a specific information request. All responses to this request for additional information should be sent to Blanche Soucheck at the Melbourne Field Office address. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me at (407)984-4940. Sincerely, !lanche ASoucheck, Hydrologist Department of Resource Management cc: PDS -RAIL John Juilianna Rich Burklew Dan Eckis, P.E., City Engineer City of Sebastian 1225 Main Street Sebastian, FL 32958 City of Sebastian 1225 MAIN STREET 0 SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA 32958 TELEPHONE (407) 589-5330 o FAX (407) 589-5570 March 31, 1994 Blanche Soucheck, Hydrologist St. John's River Water Management District P. O. Box 1429 Palatka, Fl 32178-1429 RE: Consumptive Use Permit # 2-061-0152 ANGRF Dear Blanche: I have received your letter dated March 18, 1994 requesting additional information for the above referenced project. I have spoken with Perry Jennings in reference to this matter to obtain his opinion about the necessary permit application. From my conversation with him, he had explained that this was required pursuant to Florida Statutes. Please note that we had submitted the modification to the outfall pipe utilizing the structure because of the benefit it would serve by attenuating the storm water runoff from the project area. However, the justification for the modification of the outfall system cannot be rationalized because of the expenditure necessary for the permit application fee of $700. Therefore, we would leave the system as it now exists without the proposed modification to secure the required Consumptive Use Permit. After further discussion with Mr. Jennings that it may be possible to include this project with another project that the City is currently filing a MSSW permit application for the Schumann Drive drainage renovations. Mr. Jennings, also explained the primary objective of the application is to make a determination between the pre -development runoff conditions and the post -development runoff conditions. He feels as I feel that without the control structure, it is quite possible that the pre - development runoff rate could be somewhat higher than it would be with the modified control structure in place. I would for the benefit of the downstream outfall system, like to install the control structure. However, the application would have to be part of a combined application with another project so both could be included under the same application fee. If you could respond back to me whether this would be acceptable or not I would be happy to wait until I hear from you as to whether this would be feasible before I make a formal response to your request for additional information dated March 18, 1994. If you have any questions or need additional information, you may contact me directly at this office. Thank you for your consideration. I anxiously await your response to this matter. Sincerely, ( L Daniel C. Eckis, P.E. City Engineer/Public Works Director DCE:lk s+��'pES .lowala iaivl�"Sa, WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT March 18, 1994 Henry Dean, Executive Director John R. Wehie, Assistant Executive Director POST OFFICE BOX 1429 PALATKA, FLORIDA 32178-1429 TELEPHONE 9041329-4500 SLINCOM 9041860-0500 FAX(EXECUTIVEILEOAL) 329-125 (PERIAMITI NO) 329-4315 (ADMNISTRATIONIFINANCE) 329-509 FIELD STATIONS 818 E. South Street 7775 Baymeadare Way PERMITTING: OPERATIONS: Orlando. Florida 32801 Suka 102 305 EM Drive 2133 N. Wickham Road 4071107-300 Jacks mre, Florida 32256 Meboume, Florida 32901 Merooume, Florida 329358109 901rM-1270 4071984-940 4072541762 CERTIFIED MAIL NO.: P 835 292 054 Chris McCarthy City of Sebastian P.O. Box 780127 Sebastian, FL 32978 RE: Request for Additional Information Consumptive Use Permit Application No. 2-061-0152 ANGRF Section: 2, Fleming Grant Township: 31 S Range: 38E County: Indian River Project: Sebastian Golf Dear Mr. McCarthy: The staff has reviewed your response to the District's request for additional information received on February 18, 1994. However, the following additional information must be provided to properly and fairly evaluate the application pursuant to subsection 40C-1.602(1), Florida Administrative Code (F.A.C.). In order to expedite the review of your application, please include the District's permit application number on all cover correspondence and submit three (3) copies of all requested information unless otherwise indicated by a specific information request. All responses to this request for additional information should be sent to Blanche Soucheck at the Melbourne Field Office address. TECHNICAL INFORMATION Pursuant to subsection 40C-2.101(4), F.A.C., the following information must be provided to technically complete this application. Subsection 40C-2.101(4), F.A.C., states: "in addition to the information required to be included on Form 40C-2-1082-1, the District staff may specifically request such reasonable additional information as may be necessary to evaluate the hydrologic impacts of the withdrawal to insure that the impacts will not Patricia T. Harden, CHAIR Lenore N. McCullagh, VICE CHAIR Jesse J. Parrish, III, TREASURER SANFORD ORANGEPARK TITUSVILLE Reid Hughes Dan Roach Denise M. Prescod Joe E. Hill DAYTONABEACH FERNANDINA BEACH JACKSONVILLE LEESBURG William Segal, SECRETARY MAnLAND James H. Williams OCALA be harmful to the water resources of the District as set forth in section 40C-2.301, F.A.C., and are in compliance with statutory and rule requirements. The Governing Board will be informed of such request for additional information at a regularly scheduled regulatory meeting. If the applicant desires to dispute the necessity for the information required, he may do so at that time." The citation A.H. refers to Applicant's Handbook as adopted in subsection 40C-2.101(2), F.A.C. In the calculations provided, determining the necessary treatment volume, the existing pipe outfall structure is being replaced by a control structure. It appears that given the proposed control structure, which serves an area greater than 40 acres, that a Management and Storage of Surface Waters permit is required. Please find enclosed a permit application form with a list of the application fees. Please include the calculations for the sizing of the "water quality" notch placed at elevation of 15.5 feet N.G.V.D., as well as normal water table information. Please include on-site soil borings to verify the assumption of the water table elevation. [Paragraph 10.3(e); A.H.; 40C -4.041(1)(2)(b)2.] In accordance with paragraph 40C -2.101(3)(b), F.A.C., if the applicant desires to dispute the necessity for any information requested on an application form or at a pre -application conference, he may do so at a regularly scheduled regulatory meeting of the Governing Board. An applicant should submit a written request to present evidence regarding such dispute at least 21 days prior to the regulatory meeting at which he plans to present the evidence. Please be advised, pursuant to subsection 40C-1.605(5), F.A.C., any application which has not been technically and administratively completed within sixty (60) days from the date of receipt of a request for additional information by the District, will be prepared for an Intent to Deny at the Governing Board meeting. If you require more than sixty (60) days, please indicate the circumstances to the staff. For good cause shown, the application shall be held in active status for one additional period of up to 60 days. When providing a response, it is necessary to use the above referenced application number to expedite the processing of the response. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me at (407)984-4940. Sincerely, IaB nche oucheck, Hydrologist Department of Resource Management Enclosures: Fee List MSSW Permit Application cc: PDS -RAIL John Juilianna./� Rich Burklew K Dan Eckis, P.E., City of Sebastian, 1225 Main Street, Sebastian, FL 32958 City of Sebastian 1225 MAIN STREET 13 SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA 32958 TELEPHONE (407) 589-5330 o FAX (407) 589-5570 May 4, 1994 Blanche Soucheck, Hydrologist Resource Management Department St. Johns River Water Management District Melbourne Field Office 305 East Drive Melbourne, F1 32904 RE: Consumptive Use Permit Application No. 2-061-0152 ANGRF Dear Blanche: I have received your letter dated May 2nd, 1994. In response to your first question, the orifice invert elevation of 15.5 was proposed to reduce pollutant loading from storm water runoff from the Golf Course. Initially it was my understanding that the consumptive use permit would require that the lake system not be kept artificially full by the existing well. It was my understanding that the district was concerned about pollutants discharging from the golf course. That is if the lakes were kept artificially full, then the pollutants entering the lake would exit the system without any treatment. The District requested that a 25 year storm event be analyzed for the golf course to determine the elevation that would retain the runoff, to assure treatment. A staging rod would identify the level of the lake that no additional filling of the lake would take place. Considering the districts' objective to reduce pollutant loading. I considered the installation of the orifice at elevation 15.5 to reduce stormwater pollutant loading for all weather conditions. I emphasize all weather conditions, because the orifice will help to reduce pollutant loading during the rainy seasons whereas the culvert outfall from the system will not. To understand why this is true consider two separate weather conditions. 1. Rainy or wet conditions 2. Dry or parched conditions. Considering the rainy or wet conditions, the existing culvert pipe is set at elevation 16 which will establish the water level. Then when a moderate rainstorm occurs, the storm surge would pass immediately through the culvert pipe into the receiving drainage ditch carrying the pollutants. This is because, there was no storage volume to prevent that surge of stormwater from passing directly out through the culvert pipe. If an orifice is constructed, as part of the outfall system, then the storage volume would be available to halt the surge. The orifice would then allow a gradual discharge of the lake allowing the pollutants to settle out. Considering the dry season, both systems function identically. The maximum level at which the lake can be filled would be elevation 15.5. Instead of a range rod being located in the lake, the maintenance supervisor would be able to determine the maximum filling level of the lake once it reached the orifice level without discharging. Now, in either case, should a moderate storm event occur, this storm surge entering the lake would be impeded by the storage volume available which occurs between elevation 15.5 and 16.0. I discussed this matter with Perry Jennings on the premise that it was beneficial to the district in reducing the stormwater pollutant loading. He understood the method to my madness, but pointed out from the hydrologists point of view that the orifice would be negatively affecting the groundwater table. So what might be good from a pollution reduction standpoint would not necessarily be beneficial from the hydrologists point of view. Continuing with the thought of impacts to groundwater, one needs to consider both weather conditions which are as identified above. During the wet season the ground is typically saturated from continual rainfalls and the groundwater elevation is extremely high which moves laterally to the lakes. The orifice will not drastically affect the average high groundwater table. Because the lateral movement of groundwater through the soil is a function of the hydraulic head and the soil conditions. This is a gradual process, the ground enters the lake system at the same rate it exits the orifice, providing a steady state system. Under dry conditions, the ground becomes significantly parched. Most of the groundwater recovery will occur as the moisture is taken up into the soil before it reaches the lake. In other words, most of the rainfall will be recharged into the ground where the rainfall event occurred and not because the lake system will be recharging the groundwater. In conclusion, I felt that the orifice would be a benefit to the district in obtaining their objectives. However, if the district feels that other objectives are being compromised, then I would be more than satisfied to eliminate the orifice and allow the discharge to occur through the culvert pipe. I believe that it was my responsibility to consider the best alternative to reach the districts objective. In response to the second question of your letter dated May 2nd, 1994, the number of seats located inside of the club house is 60. If you have any questions or need additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me at this office. CL' Sincerey, City Engineer/Public Works Director DCE:lk cc: City Manager Chris McCarthy, Golf Course Superintendent