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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2004 10 13 - Emails Regarding Road Wideningo V0 v David Fisher From: David Fisher Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:21 PM To: Terrence Moore; Tracy Hass; Greg Gardner; Terry Hill Cc: Ken Jones; 'rmelchiori@neel-schaffer.com'; 'MoultonDA@CDS Subject: New Issues Regarding the Proposed Widening of Golf Course Parking Spaces (per Collier Club Development Agreement) THIS IS AN IMPORTANT "HEADS UP!" MESSAGE. This is to advise you in advance of some important newly identified issues that need resolution in the very near term (approx. 2 weeks or less) regarding the widening of the Golf Course road and the providing of additional parking by the Collier Creek Development per their longstanding development agreement with the City. Ken Jones and I just came off a conference call with Doug Moulton and Mario Chavez of CDM (City's stormwater consultants for the Twin Ditches project) and Rick Melchiori of WCG / Neel -Schaffer (Collier Club developer's engineer). We may have some serious trade-offs to consider with decisions needing to be made in the very near future (within the next 2 weeks) to avoid delaying both the City sTwin Ditches Retrofit Stormwater Project and the construction schedule for Collier Club Phase III. WCG and CDM will be providing a list of alternative courses of action in the matter by the end of next week for our immediate consideration and decision-making process. The alternatives will involve how to handle the stormwater permitting with SJRWMD in such a way as to: • Not delay or compromise the City SW U Twin Ditches Retrofit Project; • Enable the Collier Club Development to fulfill their developer's agreement (to the benefit of the City and the City Golf Course) in a timely manner; and, now perhaps most importantly, • Do so in such a way that does not expose the Golf Course to fairly comprehensive and stringent additional permitting requirements by SJRWMD. Our teleconference earlier this afternoon indicates there are likely to be some trade-offs to be considered and decided with no one alternative course of action being totally painless. Therefore the need to address this matter immediately. The time to meet and discuss the alternatives is likely to be as early as the end of next week, October 21-22, when we have in hand the thought-out alternative courses of action from CDM and WCG. Please stand ready to review, discuss, and decide. Greg, please contact me or Ken Jones soonest to get your own update. Thanks. -- Dave Fisher David Fisher From: David Fisher Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:43 PM To: David Fishers Interns Subject: FW: New Issues Regarding the Proposed Widening of Golf Course Access Road and Additional Parking Spaces (per Collier Club Development Agreement) FYI. Not yet clear whether you will become involved in this — DF -----Original Message ----- From: David Fisher Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:21 PM To: Terrence Moore; Tracy Hass; Greg Gardner; Tern/ Hill Cc: Ken Jones; 'rmelchiod@neel-schaffer.com'; 'MoultonDA@CDM.com'; 'ChavezMF@CDM.com' Subject: New Issues Regarding the Proposed Widening of Golf Course Access Road and Additional Parking Spaces (per Collier Club Development Agreement) THIS IS AN IMPORTANT "HEADS UP!" MESSAGE Ip1 This is to advise you in advance of some important newly identified issues that need resolution in the very near term (approx. 2 weeks or less) regarding the widening of the Golf Course road and the providing of additional parking by the Collier Creek Development per their longstanding development agreement with the City. Ken Jones and I just came off a conference call with Doug Moulton and Mario Chavez of CDM (City's stormwater consultants for the Twin Ditches project) and Rick Melchiori of WCG / Neel -Schaffer (Collier Club developer's engineer). We may have some serious trade-offs to consider with decisions needing to be made in the very near future (within the next 2 weeks) to avoid delaying both the City'sTwin Ditches Retrofit Stormwater Project and the construction schedule for Collier Club Phase III. WCG and CDM will be providing a list of alternative courses of action in the matter by the end of next week for our immediate consideration and decision-making process. The alternatives will involve how to handle the stormwater permitting with SJRWMD in such a way as to: • Not delay or compromise the City SW U Twin Ditches Retrofit Project; • Enable the Collier Club Development to fulfill their developer's agreement (to the benefit of the City and the City Golf Course) in a timely manner; and, now perhaps most importantly, • Do so in such a way that does not expose the Golf Course to fairly comprehensive and stringent additional permitting requirements by SJRWMD. Our teleconference earlier this afternoon indicates there are likely to be some trade-offs to be considered and decided with no one alternative course of action being totally painless. Therefore the need to address this matter immediately. The time to meet and discuss the alternatives is likely to be as early as the end of next week, October 21-22, when we have in hand the thought-out alternative courses of action from CDM and WCG. Please stand ready to review, discuss, and decide. Greg, please contact me or Ken Jones soonest to get your own update. Thanks. -- Dave Fisher Message David Fisher Page 1 of 1 From: Rick Melchiori [rmelchiod@neel-schaffer.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:54 AM To: 'David Fisher Cc: 'Ken Jones'; 'Terry Hill'; 'Greg Gardner'; 'Jason Milewski'; 'Tracy Hass'; 'Rich Stringer'; 'Jim Davis'; steve@onsitemgmt.com Subject: RE: Width of Road — Collier Club / Golf Course (+ Airport Road East) Dave, The SJRWMD Criteria for permit requirements are very clear. Under Section 40C-42.022 (Permits Required) Subsection 1-A, a permit is required for the construction of 4,000 S.F. or greater of impervious area subject to vehicular traffic. See page 6 of 29 on the following link: hftp//www.sjrwmd.com/programs/re ulg ation/rules/pdfs/40C-42.pdf. This would cover the areas subject to parking and movement within the parking area. In accordance with Section 40C-42.0225 (Exemptions) Subsection 5- C, the construction of minor roadway safety projects including such things as widening which does not result in additional lanes, is exempt from permitting. Therefore, it is my opinion that unless the parking area exceeds the 4,000 s.f. threshold, the improvements to the roadway would not need a permit. It is possible, that the district would look at the overall project and determine the total job does exceed the thresholds and the only way to determine that would be a preapplication meeting. I am open to discuss this further at your convenience. Rick -----Original Message ----- From: David Fisher[mailto:dfisher@cityofsebastian.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:52 AM To: 'rmelchiori@neel-schaffer.com' Cc: Ken Jones; Terry Hill; Greg Gardner; Jason Milewski; Tracy Hass; Rich Stringer; Jim Davis Subject: Width of Road -- Collier Club / Golf Course (+ Airport Road East) Rick — As you know, we have a current issue about widening the Collier Club / Golf Course road to be in accordance with the development agreement between the City and Collier Club. Collier Club is ready to widen the road and wants clearance to go ahead with it but we need to assess whether doing so would trigger a further permitting requirement with SJRWMD (itself likely expensive and time-consuming). [The same may well be the case regarding the prospective widening of Airport Road East.] As recently discussed, please advise your own views regarding our alternative courses of action in the Collier Club/ Golf Course road situation. We want to give the Collier Club contractor the go-ahead to make improvements without triggering an unwanted permitting requirement. Thanks. — Dave 5/17/2005 Message David Fisher Page 1 of 1 From: Rick Melchiori [rmelchiori@neel-schaffer.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:54 AM To: 'David Fisher Cc: 'Ken Jones'; 'Terry Hill'; 'Greg Gardner` 'Jason Milewski'; 'Tracy Hass'; 'Rich Stringer; 'Jim Davis'; steve@onsitemgmt.com Subject: RE: Width of Road — Collier Club / Golf Course (+ Airport Road East) Dave, The SJRWMD Criteria for permit requirements are very clear. Under Section 40C-42.022 (Permits Required) Subsection 1-A, a permit is required for the construction of 4,000 S.F. or greater of impervious area subject to vehicular traffic. See page 6 of 29 on the following link: http://www.sjrWnid com/programs/regulation/rules/pdfs/40C-42.pdf. This would cover the areas subject to parking and movement within the parking area. In accordance with Section 40C-42.0225 (Exemptions) Subsection 5- C, the construction of minor roadway safety projects including such things as widening which does not result in additional lanes, is exempt from permitting. Therefore, it is my opinion that unless the parking area exceeds the 4,000 s.f. threshold, the improvements to the roadway would not need a permit. It is possible, that the district would look at the overall project and determine the total job does exceed the thresholds and the only way to determine that would be a preapplication meeting. I am open to discuss this further at your convenience. Rick -----Original Message ----- From: David Fisher [mailto:dfisher@cityofsebastian.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:52 AM To: 'rmelchiori@neel-schaffer.com' Cc: Ken Jones; Terry Hill; Greg Gardner; Jason Milewski; Tracy Hass; Rich Stringer; Jim Davis Subject: Width of Road -- Collier Club / Golf Course (+ Airport Road East) Rick — As you know, we have a current issue about widening the Collier Club / Golf Course road to be in accordance with the development agreement between the City and Collier Club. Collier Club is ready to widen the road and wants clearance to go ahead with it but we need to assess whether doing so would trigger a further permitting requirement with SJRWMD (itself likely expensive and time-consuming). [The same may well be the case regarding the prospective widening of Airport Road East.] As recently discussed, please advise your own views regarding our alternative courses of action in the Collier Club / Golf Course road situation. We want to give the Collier Club contractor the go-ahead to make improvements without triggering an unwanted permitting requirement. Thanks. — Dave 5/17/2005 Message David Fisher Page 1 of 1 From: Rick Melchiori [rmelchiori@neel-schaffer.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:54 AM To: 'David Fisher Cc: 'Ken Jones'; 'Terry Hill'; 'Greg Gardner'; 'Jason Milewski'; 'Tracy Hass'; 'Rich Stringer; 'Jim Davis'; steve@onsitemgmt.com Subject: RE: Width of Road — Collier Club / Golf Course (+ Airport Road East) Dave, The SJRWMD Criteria for permit requirements are very clear. Under Section 40C-42.022 (Permits Required) Subsection 1-A, a permit is required for the construction of 4,000 S.F. or greater of impervious area subject to vehicular traffic. See page 6 of 29 on the following link: http;//wwwsjr_wmd.com/programs/regulation/rules/pdfs/40_C-42.pdf. This would cover the areas subject to parking and movement within the parking area. In accordance with Section 40C42.0225 (Exemptions) Subsection 5- C, the construction of minor roadway safety projects including such things as widening which does not result in additional lanes, is exempt from permitting. Therefore, it is my opinion that unless the parking area exceeds the 4,000 s.f. threshold, the improvements to the roadway would not need a permit. It is possible, that the district would look at the overall project and determine the total job does exceed the thresholds and the only way to determine that would be a preapplication meeting. I am open to discuss this further at your convenience. Rick -----Original Message ----- From: David Fisher[mailto:dfisher@cityofsebastian.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:52 AM To: 'rmelchiori@neel-schaffer.com' Cc: Ken Jones; Terry Hill; Greg Gardner; Jason Milewski; Tracy Hass; Rich Stringer; Jim Davis Subject: Width of Road -- Collier Club / Golf Course (+ Airport Road East) Rick — As you know, we have a current issue about widening the Collier Club / Golf Course road to be in accordance with the development agreement between the City and Collier Club. Collier Club is ready to widen the road and wants clearance to go ahead with it but we need to assess whether doing so would trigger a further permitting requirement with SJRWMD (itself likely expensive and time-consuming). [The same may well be the case regarding the prospective widening of Airport Road East.] As recently discussed, please advise your own views regarding our alternative courses of action in the Collier Club / Golf Course road situation. We want to give the Collier Club contractor the go-ahead to make improvements without triggering an unwanted permitting requirement. Thanks. -- Dave 5/17/2005