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HomeMy WebLinkAbout03251986 PR/uwl� Minutes of Parks and Recreation Meeting March 25, 1986 PRESENT: LONNIE, GENE, DAVID, DAN, GEORGE, CLIFF, HOWARD, PETER, LINDA AND -MARY- ABSENT: KATHY MCCARTHY- LET THE RECORD SHOW -THAT HOWARD, LINDA AND MARY CAME IN AFTER THE ROLL CALL, WAS HELD. ALSO DAN CAME IN LATE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PETER ASKED IF THEY' COULD PUT THE COORDINATORS REPORT UP FRONT BEFORE THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME WORKING PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE TO GQ BACK TO THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESSES. TRQY, WAS Qj'YEN THE FLOOR, TROY. SAID VOLLEYBALL REGI-STRATION WOULD BE STARTING THIS WEEK AND HELD FOR AT LEAST TWO LEEKS AND THEY -THE REGULAR SEASON WOULD START. AS PAR AS SOFTBALL GOES " THE PROGRAM I -S RUNNING WELL" SAID TROY. OTHER THEN THAT VREALLY-DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT. HOWARD AND DAN COME IN AND WONDER WHY THE MEETING HAS STARTED WHEN IT IS NOT $EVEN YET. PETER TELL$ THEM IT IS ONE MINUTE AFTER BY HI;$ WATCH. AND THEY ALREADY BEGAN, PETER LETS THE RECORD SHOW' THAT THEY' HAVE COME IN. HOWARD QUESTIONS HQW*THE 14EETING CAN BE STARTED WITH SIX PEOPLE PETER INDICATES THAT THIS I'$ A QUORUM NUMBER AND IT COULD BEGIN. PETER ASKS IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TROY FROM THE COMMITTEE MEAB,ER$ t HOWARD BEGINS; SAYS HE HAS BEEN GETTING A LOT OF GRIPES REGARDING THE }MELD NQT BEING AVAILABLE, UNCOOPERATION, YOU NOT BEING THERE LIGHT$ NQT BEING TURNED ON, NOT BEING ABLE TO USE THE FIELD ON WEEKENDS TROY SAY'$ HQW'DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THAT ALL AT ONCE OR ONE AT A TIME; LINDA COMES IN AT THIS POINT. NUMBER ONE WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH LIGHTS BEING TURNED ON BUT OBVIOUSLY YQU MADE THIS A MAJOR ISSUE IN THIS CITY RIGHT NOW. ARE YOU TURNING THEM ON MR COX OR ARE YOU HAVING SOMEONE DO IT FOR YOU ASKS HOWARD. TROY: $QMEQNE I$ THERE TO SUPE�VI•$E, AND THEY ARE DOING IT FORME. HOWARD; WHIS THE SUPERV I'SOR TROY; CHR1$ IMCCARTHY HQWARD; IS HE ON OUR PAYROLL? TROY: ON WHQS PAYROLL. e"N eA"1 MINUTES PARKS AND REuREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE 1wO HOWARD: ARE PAYROLL THIS COMMITTEES? TROY: HES ON M PAYROLL HOWARD: ARE YOU A PERSON OR A COPORATIONY TROY': I AM BOTH HOWARD: THATS WHAT I THOUGHT WE HIRED A CORPORATION TROY': EXCUSE ME HOWARD: WE HIRED A CORPORATION THEN DI:DNT WE TROY; YOU HIRED ME t rF YOU WANT TO'GET BACK TO WHY CHRIS IS THERE IT ROILSDOWN TO HES A SCOREKEEPER. HOWA,p; I: HE AN OFFI:CIA6 IS HE, SANCTIONED TROY; ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A SCOREKEEPER BEING SANCTIONED HQWARD; YES TROY REI,NG SANCTIONED HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH SCOREKEEPING HQWARD THAT WASNT THE QUESTION TRQY,; H.ES A SCMEKEEPER YES HQWARD; 15 HE A SANCTIONED SCOREKEEPER TROY; IN BY., ASSOCIATION YES HOWARD; I$ HE A SANCTIONED SCOREKEEPER IN OUR ASSOCIATION TROY YOU 4L DQNT HAVE SCOREKEEPERS IN YOUR ASSOCIATION. �ENEa YES K DQ TROY1 -WELL THEY DQNT WORK FOR THE CI -TY -OF SEBASTIAN RECAUSE YOU -GUYS DONT WANT ONE -FOR THAT HQWARD; HOW CAN YOU TELL US WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE DONT WANT TROY##1' IJP- UNDER THE IMPRESSION, IM SETTING THE RECREATION POLICY gnd.NOT BEING DICTATED TOO, NOW I,F YOU WANT TO CHANGE THINGS THATS, UP TO YQUt J.GOT NO PROBLEM -WITH WHAT YOU WANT OK NOW WHAT YOU ARECTUALLY, GETTING DQW�N TOO IS THAT YOU WANT ME THERE EVERY ,INUT� Pf THE DAY? HQ*gD; NQ /001, TROY:; TO QE ,REQU-IRED TO TURN ON AND OFF THE LIGHTS HOWARD; THATS CORRECT THATS MY FEELING TROY; WELL ITS WRONG YOU HAVE THE WRONG IMPRESSION HOWARD: THATS THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU GAVE US imol1 MINUTES, PARKS, AND RECREATIQN MARCH. 25, 1986 PAGE THREE TROY: I'M SORRY I NEVER GAVE YOU THAT IMPRESSION /fm%' HOWARD: WELL IM GETTING A'LOT OF GRIPES TROY,:: WELL THATS OBVIOUS ITS IN THE PAPER GENE: SEE WERE GETTING IT BACK FROM TEAMS FROM PEOPLE THATS OUT AT THE FIELD TROY: WELL AS'FAR AS THE LIGHTS ARE CONCERNED WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO IT GENE OR ANY OF YOU ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SET A PROPER RECREATION POLICY' WHERE THERES NO NEED FOR ANYBODY TO BE OUT THERE TO TURN THEM OFF AND ON ON A WEEKDAY' THERE IS SOMEBODY THERE TO DO IT IF YOU WANT IT FRI SAT AND SUN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SET UP A PQLICY-WHF-RE YOU CAN CHECK OUT THE KEYS JUST ONE SET WITH A DEPQSI'T AND IF THEY' WANT TO CHECK IT OUT FROM SEVEN TO NINE ON -FRIDAY OR SATURDAY -THEY COME DOWN ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON FILL OUT A FQ9M- AND LEAVE A $25.00 DEPOSIT LONNI.E; H.04'DO WE KNOW'WHAT TIME THE LIGHTS WERE TURNED ON AND WHAT TIME- TRE LIGHTS WERE TURNED OFF GENE; qEE WEVE TRIED THIS WITH THE LAST COORDINATOR AND PEOPLE STAYED THERE AT THE -FIELD LONGER THAN THEY RENTED THE FIELD FOR AND A -FEW; TIMES THE LIGHT$ NEVER GOT TURNED OFF AND WERE ON ALL NIGHT THATS WHEN THE MAN HAD TO START TURNING THEM ON AND SHUTTING THEM TRQY; OK THEN THEY'ABUSED THE PRIVLEDGE AND THATS WHEN IT DISCONTINUES THATS, WHAT I WOULD DQ AND IT WORKS FINE FROM WHERE I COME FROM NOW,` OBY TOU5LY-- YOU HAVE' PROBLEMS- HERE. HQWARD; WHERE YOU COME 'FROM DO YOU HAVE A 24 HOUR STAFF ON WEEKENDS I:S YOUR 'RECREATION CENTER OPEN 7 DAYS A WEEK TRQY; NO HQWARD; THE.REEREATIQN CENTER IS NOT OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TRQY.; ITS NOT OPEN ON SUNDAY' HOWARD IT$ QPE.N SIX DAYS A WEEK TRQY; YE$ WHAT$ THAT GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING HQWARD; ITS A LOT EASIER THEN DRAGGING IT THROUGH CITY HALL WHICH HAPPENS TO CLQSE AT 400- ON FRIDAY', TRQY-;W.ELL I STILL DQNT SEE YOUR POINT. HOWARD; WELL THERE$ SOMEBODY THERE TO TAKE CARE OF SATURDAY AND LEAD INTO SUNDAY* emlN TROY.; NO D.ODY TAKES CARE QF SATURDAY, THEIR NOT ALLOWED TO PRACTICE ON THE W]FEKFNp HQWARD; WELD, WE ARE AND WE ALWAYS* HAVE elk) r" 1 MINUTES PARKS AND kLCREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE FOuk TROY: WELL YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DO SO. GENE: SEE WE"RE LOSING MONEY -1 GOT A REPORT HERE THAT SINCE FISCAL YEAR WE"'VE LOST OVER $400 BY'NOT HAVING THE LIGHTS ON COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. TRAY: I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM IF YOU GUYS WHAT TO MAXIMIZE YOUR FIELD AND YOU WANT TO TURN THEM ON ITS UP TO YOU. BUT IM NOT GOING TO DO IT. GENE: WELL THIS IS OUR FEELINGS HOWARD: COULD YOU REPEAT THAT troy; NOW' IF YOU WANT SOMEBODY -TO PAY- FOR IT HOWARD; EXCUSE ME I HAVE THE FLOOR PETER; NQ YQU DONT HQWARD; YES I' DO PETER; EUGENE HAD THE 'FLOOR EUGENE; NO M -THROUGH HOWARD; NO I' ASKED FOR THE- IrLOOR PETER, YQUyE BEEN BUTTING I -N AND OUT AND ILL START THE PROCEDURE FOLLOWTNO NOW THIS "MAN I'S NOT ON TRIAL HOWARD; IM NOT ASKING HIM TO BE ON TRIAL PETER; kglR GHT YOU HAVE THE FLOOR UNTIL YOU YIELD IT HQWARD; THANK YQn I'M NOT YIELDING IT YET PETER; CONTINUE HOWARD; YOU WILL NOT TURN THEM ON ON WEEKENDS TROY,; NQT IF IM SETTING THE POLICY NQ H.OWARA; I. Y-I'ELD THE 'FLOOR PETER; ANY' 'THE' QUESTION LONNIE LONNIE; OK THE ONLY,THING I HAVE IS I READ IN THE PAPER ABOUT THIS FUED WERE HAVING AND I WENT OVER TO THE BALLFIELD ONE NIGHT AND I MOULD LIKE, THE COMMITTEE I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO WORK TOGETHER AND I REALLY THINK WHERE WE CANT USE THE FIELD ON I4EEKEND5, WHICH I RESPECT YOUR FEELINGS BUT I STILL THINK eft"N IT SHQULD-BE BROUGHT`UP BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND WE ALL DISCUSS IT BECAUSE THEY, WERE HITTING -ME UP AT THE GAMES HOW COME WE CANT -USE THE gIELD ON WEEKENDS. TROY WELL THAT NEYE'R CAME -UP TO THE COMMITTEE eo*) MINUTES: PARKS AND RECREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE FIVE P"N LONNIE: THATS RIGHT AND AS A COMMITTEE I THINK WE SHODUD KNOW ABOUT IT IF WERE GOING BE THE RECREATION COMMITTEE, TRUE, YOUR THE COORDINATOR' -BUT IF IM GOING TO COME UP HERE AND SPEND MY TIME, I LIKE TO KNOW WHATS GOING ON WITH THE RECREATION COMMITTEE. TROY; AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED THATS FINE BUT YOU ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH WHICH I'S A PROBLEM LONNIE; WE CAN ALWAYS CALL A SP CIAL MEETING THOUGH IF WE NEED IT TROY; OK WELL IM NOT AWARE OF THAT LQNNIf; WEtyE HAD SE'YERAL OF THEM SINCE I!VE BEEN WITH THE CITY TROY; IM NOT AWARE OF THAT PROCEDURE LONNIE; IM LEARNING A LOT OF THINGS RIGHT NOW SINCE WE BROUGHT YOU ABOARD AND MAYBE SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRES4ED: I- DONT KNOW- TRQy; THE WHOLE RECREATION POLICY- HAS TO BE ADDRESSED THE ACT NEEDS TO RECLEANED UP I-N.OTHER WORDS YOU GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE TRYING TO DICTATE; WHAT HAS TO BE DONE AND WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE AND THEY PONT, MNT TO CHANGE THI$ OR THAT AND THATS UP TO THEM BUT WHEN YQU-TELL-ME AT THE-LA$T MEETING THAT DOC WAS HERE AND THIS GENTLEMEN, I'FORGET HIS NAME THAT I HAD A FREE HAND TO SET THE ?QL ICYAT THE' TIME OBVIOUSLY' WE CAME TO LQNNIE; WE TOLD YOU WE WOULD GIVE YOU HOW DOD WE PUT IT SOME KIND OF FANCY. -WORDS WE -USED WHICH I WAS AGAINST TO START WITH AND I AM $TILL AGAINST UNTIL WE CAN GET THE GROUNDWORK SET UP. LIKE. I' TOLD YOU I DTONT KNOW YOU FROM ADAM I HAD NEVER SET EY,E� QN YQU'UNT M THAT FIRST MEETING AND I STILL FEEL THAT WAY: UNTIL I- CAN SEE: WHAT$ GOING ON AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE 4kOULD KNOW WHATS GOING ON T80Y; WELL THET ACTUALLY, HAVE TO KNOW BECAUSE IF YOUR NOT SUPPORTING ME THEN THERE$ NO SENSE IN ME BEING HERE. BUT IF YOUR GOING TO LET INDIYIDUALS DICTATE POLICY THEN YOU GOT A PROBLEM FROM THE QUT$ET; IF YOU VANT TO SIT DOWN AND HAMMER IT OUT AHEAD OF TIDE WHERE I'T DOESNT GET TO A POINT WHERE SOMETHING IS SILLY WIMM IT BECOMES FRONT PAGE PAPER LQNNI_E THAT WAS MY NEXT POINT YOU KNOW WHY I READ THE PAPER THAT SOMETHING I5 TAKING PLACE, T DONT LIKE TO BE THE LAST ONE TO KNOW IVE SEEN THAT ALREADY ON THE COMMITTEE FROM SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAPPENED I'N THE CITY, Tg9y,; WHY: WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED THE $QURCE, LQNNI_E; L DONT WANT TQ BE THAT NQ MORE TROY.; I, DONT LIKE BEING CALLED UP BY THE PAPERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND ASKED FOOLISH.QUE$TI:ON$ REALLY BUT I DONT MIND ANSWERING ANY-BODr REGARDING WHAT POLI•CYS I SET UP OR ANYTHING AND MERELY FROM EXPERIENCE AND THIS IS JUST NOTHING THAT I MADE UP MY MIND CAUSE I WANT IT THAT WAY, I DONT WORK THAT WAY. e" N MINUTES PARKS AND RECREATION MARCH 259 1986 PAGE SIX lolk� LONNIE: THEN I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT MR COORDINATOR THAT WE DO HAVE SOME CHANGES TO BE -MADE HERE, AND ITS THE BEST TIME TO START IT OFF WITH THE COORDINATOR AND WE SIT DOWN AND MAKE SOME CHANGES, MORE INVOLVED LIKE WE WERE TALKING EARLIER WITH THE VOLLEYBALL AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT WE DO NEED TO SIT DOWN AS A COMMITTEE AND START.IT OFF BUT AS FAR AS THE LIGHTS BEING TURNED ON I WAS -UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE DOWN THERE OR AT LEAST BE AT THE BALL GAMES EVERY NIGHT BUT MAYBE THIS WAS, OUR MISUNDERSTANDING I DONT KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CHET CLEAR SO EVERYBODY WILL KNOW. BUT I WAS UNDER THE MPRESSION THAT THE -COORDINATOR WAS GOING TO BE AT THE BALLGAMES I'N CASE SOMETHING ARISED THAT HE NEEDED TO STRAIGHTEN OUT. PETER; DAN YOU -HAVE THE 'FLOOR DAN; IM DAN FRUESS, AND I RECALL -V ERY VIVIDLY THAT YOU MADE IT CLEAR Y00- DI'DNT ,FEEL THAT IT WAS THE MOST EFFECTIVE USE OF YOUR TIME AND I� WENT ALONG AND AGREED THAT YOU DIDNT HAVE TO BE THERE TQ TARN THEM ON AND OFF TROY: THE JOBS GETTING DONE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IM THERE OR NOT THE JQQS BEEN DONE DAN; ILL BACK YOU 'UP THAT THATS WHAT YOU SAID YOU DIDNT FEEL YOU WQULO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ALL THE TIME AND THAT YOU WOULD FIND SOMERODY�WHQ COULD DQ THAT JU$T AS WELL AND YOU WOULD PUT YOUR EFFQRT ELSEWHERE AND IT MADE- SENSE TO ME. THE THING THAT CONCERNS .ME THOUGH; If WERE EARNING LESS MONEY I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM TF THIS YEAR OVER LAST YEAR BECAUSE ITS NOT BEING -USED BECAUSE YOU ALSO SAID YOUR GOING TO BRING YOUR EXPERIENCE I_NT© PLAY: INTO HOWWE CAN BECOME MORE PROFITABLE. I HAVE NO Pj QBL E, W-I'TH OU NOT BEING THE ONE TO TURN LIGHTS ON AND OFF !,.FEEL LIKE YOU -COULD USE YOUR TIME BETTER HOWEVER, YOU HAVE TO ,FjVgE OUT :RATHER THROUGH IT- BACK IN OUR LAP WELL THE WAY WE COULD HANDLE THAT SATU'RDAY' BUSINESS IS THIS SET UP THE PROGRAM AICD WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU WILL ACT RATHER THEN LET S("ETHI:NG GO WHEN THERE IS A PROBLEM AND NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IST THAT$ WINDING UP COSTING THE CITY MONEY AND CAUSING ILL FEELINGS, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT AND HOWEVER YQ031 QUO SUGGEST DOING IT, THATS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR. IF Y.QU- THINK IT SHOULD BE USED ON SATURDAY HOW CAN WE DO IT WHAT ARE YOUR-FEELIKS ON THAT. TRAY; A$ FAR AS WEEKEND PRACTICES THE FIELDS BEING USED FOR TOURNAMENTS 50ME WEEKENDS THATS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A SPECIAL ACTIVITY AND QBYJQUSLY Y.OUyE GOT PEOPLE COMING FROM ALL ENDS AND YOU WANT A NICE FIELD AND ALL THAT MY POINT IS ON THE WEEKENDS IS THAT WHAT I HAyE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH MOST PEOPLE DO NOT PRACTICE ON WEEKEND NIGHT$ AND'FOR OBVIOUS REASONS THE FIELD HAS NOT BEEN AVAILABLE BEFORE BUT IF IN THE INSTANCE THEY DO WANT TO USE IT LIKE YOU--SAI:D YOUVE DONE IN THE PAST I DONT SEE ANY REASON WHY e"`'' ,QU--CANNQT CONTINUE TO DO IT THE ONLY THING I WAS IN MY PAST EX PERtENCE KNOW THAT ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, YOUVE GOT ALL DAY HQUgS AND THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY. TO "USE THE PRACTICE FIELD WITHOUT USING THE LIGHTS OK AND TO ME I THINK THE FIELD IS ACCESSIBLE NOW THEY BRING UP THE POINT THAT THEY PLAY AT NIGHT THEY WANT TO PRACTICE AT NIGHT THATS A FINE LINE POINT TO BE BRINGING !'dm\ !am\ MINUTES PARKS AND RLCREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE SEVEN ro"N TROY CONT : UP AND I DONT FEEL IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THE FIELDS LIGHTED WHATS THE DIFFERENCE I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THEM PRACTICIING AT NIGHT OTHER THEN THE FIELD IS BEING USED PRETTY'MUCH RIGHT NOW THERES ONLY NINE TEAMS ON THE ONE'FIELD AND THATS NOT TOO BAD DURING THE WEEK AND THEN YOU' -VE GOT TOURNAMENTS AND THEN YOU WANT THEM TO GO AHEAD AND PRACTICE ON'THE WEEK END NIGHTS I DONT SEE WHT THEY COULDN'T WE JU$T HAVE TO'FIGURE OUT SOME POLICY OR MAYBE CONTINUE TO HAVE CHRIS WHOS THE SUPERVISOR `TURN THEM ON WHEN THEY WANT TO USE IT, DAN; WELL THE JOB DESCRIPTION WHERE YOU WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO TURN THE' LIGHTS.- ON AND OFF ON SATURDAYS OR WEEKENDS I THINK THATS ' ASKING AN,AWFUL LOT OF SOMEBODY PERSONALLY FOR THE MONEY YOUR RECF.IV IN t TRQY,; WELL I DONT MAKE A DIME LET ME MAKE THAT POINT CLEAR THE JOG. IS QNLY,,.26'00' DOLLARS OR FIFTY BUCKS A MONTH THE SUPERVISOR OUT THERE I� GETTING CLOSE TO FORTY. DOLLARS THEN YOUR TALKING THE .REST 15' ISN GAS MONEY` SQ I "-M -REALLY` VOLUNTEERING DOING THIS STUFF AND I-44 DOING IT BECAU$E OF THE POTENTIAL WITHIN THE AREA THAT I FELT WAS HERE AND IT MIGHT BE GOOD TIMING FOR A DEPARTMENT COMING OUT QF ALL THIS NOW'WHEN YOU RUN UP AGAINST 5TUFjr LIKE THT$ THI-$ KIND QF DISCOURAGES YOU, FROM WHAT I SEE THFRE,IS STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN GETTING WHAT THEY WANT OONE XQU. NEED ANOTHER BALI, PARK OUT THERE AND IF YOU CUT DOWN - ON THE SAX IMUIM . USE Oji THE f MELD YOUR GOING TO SAVE THE FIELD ' YOU GQT A$ WELL A$.PRQVI'DE A NEED FOR THE OTHER FIELD. BECAUSE THE E IS GOING TO BE MORE TEAMS COMING IN EACH YEAR AND I ASSUME THE AREA IS GROWING YOUljVE GOT MORE PEOPLE, YOU'VE GOT ONE FIELD D ,� YPU - CQNTINUE TO USE THE FIELD LIKE IT IS YOUR NOT GOING Q E: -MUCH. QF ANYTHING .THERE UNLESS YOU HAVE PLANS FOR ANOTHER FIELD IN THE NEA • UTURE. YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR MAKING X AMOUNT � .R F DQL[ARS ON THE LIGHTS AND SQ FORTH HOW MUCH"MONEY DO YOU $ END QN `THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FIELD. WHEN ITS IN THE OFF SEASON .H W;,- . UCH. -M NEY� DQ YOU UT INTO THE FIELD IF YOU WANT IT ON PAPER 1� Q ,0 P I 0 , WHAT$ XQUR NET, GENE.; QfF SEASON- WERE NQT PUTTING NOTHING INTO THE FIELDS BY PLAYING OUT THERE YOUR NOT GOING TO RE DAMAGING THE FIELDS WHEN YOU GOT IT COOT-89LL ED. T�QY(; IT5 NOT DAMAGING THE FIELD IM TALKING ABOUT WEAR AND TEAR. GENE; NOT EVEN WEAR AND TEARING IT BECAUSE WERE CONTROLLING IT WE CAN SEEIWHQS THERE AND EVERYTHING THE OTHER WAY ITS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ANYB.QDY CAN GO IN THERE ON WEEKENDS AND TEAR IT UP ANYTIME. I MEAN D�.QO I:N THERE AND PLAY BASEBALL AND EVERYTHING ON IT. � A TgQY(; YEA RUT THER'-RE STILL RESERVING TRE FIELD %GENE; DEFI:NATELY-BUT YOU CAN GO IN THERE ANYTIME YOU WANT WITHOUT ,8ESE,gVING I'T THE' -MANAGER WITH THE TICKET CAN BUMP YOU OFF OF IT THATq HQW:THE SYSTEM -WORKS HERE THERE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT LOCKS ON THE -f ELD ITS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. TROY: YEA ITS A PUBLIC FIELD. l0011 MINUTES PARK AND RECREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE EIGHT GENE; BbT I AS A MANAGER IF I'M PLAYING FOUR NIGHTS A WEEK CINDER THE LIGHTS THEN I WANT TO PRACTICE UNDER THE LIGHTS. THOSE LIGHTS MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOUR PLAYING, BOTH WAYS NOW YOU COULD PRACTICE,IN THE DAY TIME AND THE BALL COMES AT YOU -DIFFERENT AT NIGHT, AND I'LL HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH THEM PEQPLE ABOUT THIS% TROY; YOU KNOW THATS JUST YOUR OPINION I'VE BEEN AMANAGER FOR FIFTEEN YEARS NOW'OF SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL AND IVE ALWAYS PRACTICED DURING THE DAY .HOURS I'VE HAD A PRACTICE GAME AT NIGHT BUT NEVER ON THE WEEKEND, GENE; WELL THESE PEOPLE PLAY' FOUR NIGHTS AWEEK TROY; I UNDERSTAND YOU ONLY%HAVE*ONE FIELD OUT THERE GENE; RIGHT WEVE GOT FQUR NIGHTS A WEEK AND THREE NIGHTS WHEN THEY' CAN PRACTICE' Wt I DONT WANT YOU TO THINK I'M AGAINST THEM USING THE FIELD IM NOT IT$'THE PART ABOUT SOMEBODYHAVING TO WALK OUT THERE ANY TIME SOMEBODY DECIDES THEY WANT TO PLAY ON SUNDAY NIGHTS AND THEY.' -CAI L YOU 'F/RI'DAY' TO GO OUT THERE ON SUNDAY' AND TURN OUT . E.LI�HT$ WHEN YOU'GOT PLANS FOR THE WEEKEND THAT TYPE OF THING NOW.. -If THEY WANT TO SET UP SOME TYPE OF POLICY THAT CAN CURE �'"�► THAT fQR WHQEVER HAS TQ DQ I'T If ITS 'ME OR THE SUPERVISOR OUT THQE GENE, $EE. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT POINT AND I SYPATHIZE WITH YOU RUT THAT WAS. PART OF THE JOB' IN THE BEGINNING TO TURN LIGHTS ON QA Off WHETHER YOU DONE IT OR SOMEBODY ELSE, TROY; WELL THATS WHY I BROUGHT UP THE POINT OF SETTING POLICY AT THE LAST MEETING I WAS AT,I'T DIDNT HAPPEN FOR FIVE AND ONE HALF -WEEK$ UNTIL CLIFF ASKED'ME'ABOUT PRACTICING ON A SUNDAY NIGHT AND THAT$ 4HFN'ALL THIS STUFF STARTED. GENE.; NO THERE$ BEEN -FOUR OR FIVE TEAMS TROY,; YELL IT NEVER CAME UP TO ME AND MY PHONE NUMBER IS AVAILABLE. GENE; THEX, WENT I-NTO CITY' HALL AND THEY GOT TURNED DOWN AT CITY HALL AND $AI.D THERE WAS NO PRACTICES ONE TEAM WENT THERE ON A SATURDAY AfTERNQQN AND THE FIELD WAS LOCKED UP TROY:;; I KNQW NQTHI:NG ABOUT THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS IN CHARGE OF THE FIELD . NQT -ME GENE; WELL WE GOT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PEOPLE JUST SCREAMING AND EYERYTHTNG AND EVERYBODY I$ STARTING TO YELL UP THERE. /aft� PEOPLE Hf. E LOSING INTEREST PI, ARE .R TRAY; THATS A GOOD POINT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS SIT DOWN AND WORK QN ,RECREATI-ON DEPT POLICY' I'F YOUR GOING TO HAVE ONE AND NOW I.E $ THE TO HAVE ONE IF YOUR GOING TO GET STARTED ON IT. $O V Y 0 KNOWS INCLUDING THE PUBLIC HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO BE RUN. /mw� (Jm*) (Aft� MINUTES PARKS AND RECREATION MARCH 25, 19869 PAGE NINE PETER: RECOGNIZES LONNIE LONNIE: OK MR CHAIRMAN ONE THING I WAS GOING TO BRING UP IS WE DO NEED SOME POLICIES AS FAR AS THE FIELD OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THATS SOMETHING IM AGAINST AND I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD FEEL ALONG WITH.ME TRUE WERE USING TAX MONEY -TO DO IT BUT THERE ARE GOING TO EXPECT THERE•RECREATION COMMITTEE TO MAKE $URE THEI'RRECREATION IS BEING,RUN THE PROPER WAY -IM NQT A&AINT PUTTING THE LOCKS ON THE GATE UP THERE I THINK If YOU -60 TO'VERQ BEACH YOU'LL FIND THEY HAVE ONE THERE YQUY E GOT TO HAVE CONTROL OF THE FIELD. AS FAR AS JUST LEAVING IT OPEN Sp ANYBODY- CAN USE IT THAT WANTS TOO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ABU$E ON IT, BUT WEVE GOT TO SIT DOWN AND MAKE SOME POLICY AND IM f?LAD THAT SOME OF THE STUFF IS ARISING ON THE SURFACE. BUT WE VIE NEVER HAD IT COME -UP BEFORE AND IF ALL THESE COMPLAINTS WE�GOI'N6 ON IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP AT THE MEETING AND ITS BEEN GOING ON 1FOR ME WEEKS HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN THAT THERE HAS BEEN NQ PRACTICE ON THE WEEKENDS. TRQY•; YOU J�EAN HOW LONG AGO DI'D I TELLCITY HALL ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO LONNIE, SQ I HAVENT SEEN ANYBODY COME TO THE COMMITTEE AND COMPBAIN AaOUT TH'I•S, THEN THEY'SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE LAST MEETING" TH.EgE WERE NO BALL PLAYERS OR'MANAGERS HERE AT THE LAST MEETING. PETER; THAT$ ,RI'GHT LQNNT: ; AND THESE ARE THE POINTS IM TRYING TO BRING ACROSS IF THESE PEOPLE HAVE GRIPE$ WHERE ARE THEr AT, COME TO THE COMMITTEE AND COMPLAIN ARNIT -THFM, WE DONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON IM NOT GOING TQ GO THERE EVER NIGHT AND WATCH WHATS GOING ON AT THE BALLf JELD. TROY; 1"NQT GOING TO GQ THERE AND BABY-SIT TOO. LQNNIEr,, IF THE -MANAGERS WERE COMPLAINING THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE AT THE LAST MEETING AND $AID ALRIGHT WHY CANT WE USE THE BALLFIELD ON WEEKEND$. THEN WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING ON. I DIDNT KNQWVAT WAS 60ING ON. BUT I DID GO BY ONE NIGHT AND IT HIT ME RIGHT IN THE FACE WHY•CANT WE USE THE FIELD, TROY•; I HAVE YET TO READ WHAT WAS IN THE PAPER, I ONLY BEEN TOLD SO I;T$ OUST A BIG SCREEN. PETER; ­RECOGNIZE$ LINDA LINDA; TROY'WHOS ACTING AS COMMISSIONER OF THE LEAGUE YOU OR CHRIS TROY*; AM THE COMMISSIONER QF THE LEAGUE. LINDA; WELL ISNT THERE TROY; NOW HES -MY• PROXY AND HE KNOWS WHAT TO DO DOWN THERE LINDA: ISNT THERE A USSSA RULE THAT SAYS THE COMMISSIONER HAS TO BE ON $ITE FOR THE GAME, n eam°1 r o MINUTES OF PARKS AND RECREATION MARCH 251-1986 PAgE TEN TROY: NOW USSSA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS LEAGUE. GENE: NOT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT THIS IS A HAS THIS LEAGUE BEEN TURNED INTO THE SANCTION LINDA ISNT THIS A SANCTIONED LEAGUE? TROY; YE$ IT IS. LINDA; AND THE -COMMISSIONER DOES, NOT HAVE TO BE ON SITE. GENE; HAS IT BEEN TURNED IN TROY; THE MONEY,AND EVERYTHING GENE; THE SANCTION TROY; IT HASNT BEEN TURNED IN YET BUT THE LIST IS DONE BECAUSE THE TEXTS ARE GENF; TH15 THING,RIGHT HERE HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF RIGHT AWAY TROY; WELL THATS NO PROBLEM I ALREADY TALKED TO CHARLIE (oft► GENE.; CAUSE I WAS TALKING TO CHARLIE LAST WEEKEND AND IT HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF 'RIGHT AWAY TROY; WilL THE DEADLINES NOT -FOR A COUPLE MORE MONTHS GENE;, YEA QUT I MEAN THE SANCTION HAS TO BE THERE CLIFF; YE$ OR NO WE HAVE BEEN IN THREE TOURNAMENTS IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR WEEKENDS AND EACH ONE OF THEM HAS ASKED ME FOR A SANCTION FEE WHEN WE HAVE AL -READY PAID OUR FEES, CHARLIE LAROACH FOR ONE IN HIS TOURNAMENT LAST WEEKEND GENE.; THIS WAS MY NEXT THING ONCE YOU ARE SANCTIONED YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER SANCTION FEE THESE TEAMS ARE GOING ALONG AND PAYING ANOTHER FEE NOW AND ITS NOT FAIR TO THEM, TROY; WELL THE CITY HAS THE CHECK NOT YET SAYS CLIFF, THEY NEED SOMETHING IN WRITING -FROM YOU TO SEND THE SANCTION FEES IN TO THE LEAGUE. GENE,; THAT Al, THE TEAMS ARE SANCTIONED AND NOW WHEN THEY GO TO PLAY IN A TOURNAMENT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER FEE AND ALL. I',XAN IT$ NOT :FAIR TO THESE,TEAMS TO BE PUTTING OUT ANOTHER FEE OUST TO PLAY IN A TOURNAMENT, TgOY; THEY. DONT HAVE TO e••� GENE; UT THEY. ARE, THIS IS USSSA RULES IF YOUR NOT SANCTIONED AND DONT HAVE IT IN YOU PAY AGAIN, TROY; DELL ILL CALL CHARLIE TOMARROW THEN. MINUTES FARKq AND RECREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE ELEVEN (aft� LINDA: ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? TROY': IM AVAILABLE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK I HAVE AN ANSWERING SERVICE AND I HAVE A PHONE NUMBER. ANYBODY CAN CALL ME. LINDA: THE REASON IM ASKING IS BECAUSE WE TRIED TO CALL YOU FROM PUBLIC WORKS TODAY AND WE COULDN'T GET ANY ANSWER AT EITHER NUMBER. TROY; I HAVE AN ANSWERING MACHINE YOUR EITHER CALLING THE WRONG NUMBER OR LINDA; WE CALLED BOTH NUMBERS THE 984 NUMBER WHICH REFERRED US TO A 723 NUMBER AND NO ONE ANSWERED EITHER ONE. TROY't WELL THEN THE MACHINE IS OFF YOU KNOW YOUR THE SECOND PERSON THAT HAS SAID THAT SAME THING, LINDA; ;MR PELTIER CALLED YOU REGARDING A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING AND HE COULDNT GET YOU AT EITHER NUMBER. TROY'; I. WONDER IF ITS MY LINE GENE; ALSO BILLY'ADAMS TRIED TO GET A HOLD OF YOU AND BERNIE ZIMLINGHAUS (awTROY; RERNI.E GOT A HOLD OF N1 *i, RHE SAID HE GOT AN ANSWERING MACHINE AND DI')NT GET NOTHING BACK." SAID GENE TROY, I ALLY$ CALL E`VEIRYONE BACK BILLY ADAMS I CALLED HIM BACK TOO LONNIE.-c. OK CL ARI,FY-SOMETHING FOR ME DO SCOREKEEPERS HAVE TO BE SANCTIONED QR QUALJFI.ED QR THIS IS SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP TO THE MAYOR TROY; IA PRE$IDENT OF THE OFFICIALS ASSOCIATION AND HE IS QUALIFIED IN ,FACT . HE �$ DONE- IT -f OR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. LONNI'E; THATS KHAT 1 SIM BRINGING UP DO THEY HAVE TO BELONG TO AN A4�OCI:ATI'ON TO KEEP SCORE M ANYBODY CAN KEEP THE SCORE AS LQNG AS THEY KNOW -WHAT THEY ARE DOING. DOES THE UMPIRE HAVE TQ SIGN THE B©OKAT THE END OF THE GAME OR SOMETHING OR IS THAT NOT NECESSARY CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETI'NGAND IM NOT AGAINST YOU HIRING A SCOREKEEPER GUT THj $ T$ SOMETHING WE ARE NOT PREPARED FOR RIGHT NOW. t- MENTIONED THIS LAST MEETING BUT LETS SEE IF WE CANT EASE INTO THE E. CHANGES AND NOT ,SUMP INTO THEM FULL FORCE. BUT IT WAS TOLD TO ME AT THF.LAST MEETING THAT HE HAD TO BE QUALIFIED OR SOMETHING GENE., LONNIE-AND TROY -ALL $TARTED TALKING TOGETHER AND IT IS NOT UNDERSTAND- W."EI _ GENE; THEY HAVE TO RE A.USSSA QUALIFIED UMPIRE IN ANY SANCTIONED LEAGUE �►, THAT$ UNDER U55SA TROY; THAT$ DOUR OWN POLICY GENE; THATS UMPIRING AND SCOREKEEPING TROY: THATS IN TOURNAMENTS ONLY r,rr_r IN T0, lJRNA,MFNTS AND SANCTIONED LEAGUES 60 MINUTES PARKS AND RECREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE TWELVE MORE MISCELLANEOUS DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE REGARDING UMPIRES AND SCOREKEEPERS (AMN THE UMPIRES ASSOCIATION HERE HAS THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY PER GENE LONNIE: I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS FOR SCOREKEEPERS I THOUGHT IT WAS OFFICIALS GENE: OFFICIALS AND SCOREKEEPERS LONNIE: ILL HAVE TO SEE THE CONTRACT. PETER; IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE HOWARD; YES I HAVE A QUESTION PETER; YOUVE GOT THE FLOOR HOWARD; MR VALLONE I' CALLED YOU ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO AND ASKED YOU TO GET IN TOUCH WITH: TROY AND ASK HIM ABOUT PROFANITY THAT I HAD GOTTEN PHONE CALLS ANUT IT AT THE BALLFIELD. HAVE YOU HAA THE Qp?ORTUNITY,TO GET THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT. PETER; ftgU OF ALL THE PERSON WHO APPROACHED YOU I DONT KNOW WHO IT .WAS SECOND Of ALL I TALKED TO EUGENE AND CLIFF BOTH AND THEY DONT QER -RECALL THAT I'NCI'DENT EVER HAPPENING THATS WHY' I JUST J)RQPPED IT BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THAT GENTLEMAN WHOM EVER APPgQACHED YOU THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT THAT YOU TOLD ME ABOUT NEyER.;O000RRED ACCORDING TO TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE AT THE � GELD = Qf THE ALLEGED HAPPENING M. GENE; WE NEVER HEARD OR SAW ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT NIGHT. HOWABO; QK.SECOND QUESTION DO WE HAVE A LEAGUE GOING ON RIGHT NOW TgOy; Y.ES HQWAnD HQW MANY TEAMS ARE INVOLVED TROY FQUR IN THE WQMENS AND FI'YE IN THE MEN$ - HOWARD; I GQT A PHONE CALL TODAY'FRQM SOMEONE WHO SAID THAT THE GAME TIME$ ItERE BEING CUT DOWN TO ONE HOUR EACH IN THE MENS LEAGUE. TROD(; IF YOU'READ THE RULES THERE IS AN HOUR TIME LIMIT WE.HAD A LEAGUE MEETING BEFORE COHERE THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY .TO DISCUSS. THE RULES, NO ONE HAD ANY PROBLEMS AT THATTIME .MQREJyjSCELLANEQUS DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS ITEM. YIC•gEGAq LOCAL SOFTBALL PLAYER PUTS IN HIS INPUT REGARDING PRACTICES AT NIGHT, ASKS A QUESTION OF MR VALLONE SAYING: IF A CITY EMPLOYEE IS BEING PAID A SALARY• TQ.pO A ,SOB LIKE THE CITY MECHANIC FOR INSTANCE AND HE APPOINTS eomb, A -yQLUNTEER TO TAKE' HIS POSITION CAUSE HE DOESNT WANT TO GO TO WORK AND THE-yQLUNTEER SHOWS UP LATE TO UNLOCK THE CITY GARAGE IN THE MORNING ARE Y.QU GQING TQ :ACCEPT IT AND LET IT GO ON CAUSE THATS WHATS HAPPENING AT THE BALLFJ,ELD, MINUTES PAM AND RECREATION MEETING MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE THIRTEEN MR REGAN CONTINUES THATS WHAT THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN WITH THE LIGHTS THAT MR CARSWELL IS TALKING ABOUT SEVERAL GAMES HAVE BEEN DELAYED BECAUSE THE LIGHTS HAVENT BEEN TURNED ON ON TIME.,AS YOU KNOW THEY NEED TIME TO WARM UP BEFORE YOU CAN KAT UNDER THEM, THATS ONE QUESTION AS FAR AS MR. POWELLS REMARK$ THAT THERE IS LOCKS ON THE FIELD IN-VERO BEACH THAT IS NOT SO THERE ARE NO LOCKS ON ANY -OF THE-VERO BEACH FIELDS. EXCEPT FOR THE THE HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL FIELD WHICH IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE IRC $CHOOL BOARD. AS 'FAR AS THE PUBLIC BEING HERE AT EVER MEETING TO SPEAK THATS UP TO THEIR OWN DESCRETION WHETHER THEY WANT TO OR NOT BUT IF THE PUBLIC COMES TO ANY' COMMITTEE MEMBER ON A ONE TO ONE BASIS IT I$ YOUR,RESPONSIBILITY AND THATS WHY YOUR HERE TO BRING THIS BEFQ.RE THE BQARDt ALSO If HES NOT SANCTIONED AND THE LEAGUE COMMISSONER IS NOT THERE WHO I-S-GUNG TO IMPOSE THE FINES AS FAR AS PROFANITY IS CONCERNED WHERE WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM ON DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. EyERY.QNE GETS HOT INCLUDING MYSELF SOMETIME AND WHEN WE HAVE AN VVOQNTROLLABLE 51TUATION WHERE WE GET IN AN ARGUMENT WITH THE SCOREKEEPER AND THE U�1P'RE, SAYS THE SCOREKEEPER IS IN CHARGE AND THE SCOREKEEPER SAYS THE uMP11RE I�S IN CHARGE WHERE I-$- OUR LEAGUE COMMISSIONER. AND AS ;FAR A$ THE TIMES OF THE GAMES THEY -ARE NOT BEING ADHERED TO SO IIE PLAYED GAMES AND I KNOW WHATS GOING ON THESE ARE PROBLEMS WERE DEALING WjTH AND I',RESPECT THE' BOARD AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT IF A CITIZEN APPRQACHE$ YOU ON A ONE TO ONE BASIS THAT IT IS YOUR ,RESPQNSIB'jLITY• TO GRING THAT ISSUE 'FORWARD. LQNNI.E; CAN YOU OR CAN YOU NOT G030 THE FIELD IN VERO BEACH ANYTIME Y:QU -NTAND PLAY ON IT, YjC,; YES UNLESS YOU ARE BUMPED OFF BY A RESERVATION SLIP LQNNIE; THEY,MUST HAVE CHANGED THE LAWS AND POLICYS THERE MQRE MI -SO TALK BACK AND -FORTH BETWEEN-VIC AND LONNIE JAR REGAN SAYS I•F WE DONT TEEL WE ARE CHARGING ENOUGH MONEY TO USE THE LIGHTS QR TQ PAY.,SQMEONE TO TURN THEM ON OR OFF THEN INCREASE THE FEES tAU$E HE I$, SERE THE PEOPLE WILL PAY- IT. LONNI.E; SAYS HE HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THE ONE TO ONE COMPLAINTS BUT A$ BEST AS HE COULD RECOLLECT, HE DOESNT REMEMBER NOBODY ORXNGI.NG THIS UP BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. MQRE ,Mj5C DI-SCUSSIQN REGARDING RULES AND REGULATIONS AND PROTESTS AND WHO DQ THEYJALK TO AT THE GAME FOR A PROBLEMS. ,MR PQWfLL ASKS MR COXS FOR A COPM OF THE RULES LI.NDA,REQUESTS PERMISSION TO SAY SOMETHING JUST FOR THE RECORD I BRQUGHT UP THE PROBLEM WITH THE LIGHTS AT THE LAST MEETING AND THE TEAM$ NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY' ON THE WEEKENDS MR COX WAS '09T HERE. RUT I DID BRING IT UP WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PAID SOQREKEEPER, GENE;; THAT$ •RIGHT I' REMEMBER THAT LINDA $Q IT WA$� BROUGHT UP FOUR WEEKS AGO AND NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT f! . LONNIE: IM TALKING ABOWT THE PART OF NOT BEING ABLE TO USE THE FIELD ON THE WEEKEND MINUTES PARKS AND RECREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE FOURTEEN LINDA: THATS WHAT I BROUGHT UP MORE DISCUSSION BETWEEN TROY AND VIC REGAN REGARDING THE LIGHTS AT THE BALLFIELD AND USING A KEY'DEPOSIT. MR REGAN SAYS IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO PAY THE PRICE HE BELIEVES THIS COMMITTEE AND THIS TOWN IS OBLIGATED TO LET THEM USE IT. LQNNI.E: I AGREE WITH THAT ONE HUMDRED PERCENT AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOME BODY' WHO I'S GOING TO CONTROL I'T, TROY $AY$ THE CITY OF MELBOURNE USES THE KEY DEPOSIT METHOD ON WEEKDAY$ AND ON WEEKENDS'AND IT WORKS FOR THEM UP THERE. MR-REGAN $AYS IT SHQULD BE CONTROLLABLE IF THEY DONT TURN THE LIGHTS QFF YOU CHARGE THEM AN ADDITIONAL FEE AND DONT RENT THEM THE KEYS AGAIN IUNTI.L ITS PAID: LONNIE: WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON THE HONOR SYSTEM THEN AS FAR AS THE TIME L IMIT* RIGHT . TROY: SURE, SQMERODY' IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO A CHECK AND BALANCE SYSTEM HOWARD; DQ WE NOT HAVE A POLICY*IN THIS CITY WHERE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CHECK OUT KEY$ THERE I$ A ONE HUNDRED DOLLAR DEPOSIT PETER; I, DQNT KNOW QF ANY•POLICY LIKE THAT HQWARD; If Y.OU WANT TO RENT THE RECREATION CENTER DONT YOU HAVE TO PUT UP A DEPOSIT, PETER; FOR THE Bu ILDING HQWARD; IF I' WANT TO RENT THE YACHT CLUB DONT I HAVE TO PUT UP A DEPOSIT, PETER; FOR THE BUILDING DAN; THATS. FOR DAMAGE ONLY THATS NOT FOR KEYS PETER; WHY. DONT WE GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT FORMALLY'ANO COME UP WITH A DECEISION ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS TH I.$ .IN A WAY THAT WILL. TROY.; IF Y -OU WANT TO CALL A SPECI-AL-REC COMMITTEE MEETING JUST FOR SETTING PQL I,CY Ott RECREAT I QN ; * I LL BE ' GLAD TO SHOW U P PETER; THAT MIGHT BE A -GOOD IDEA. TRAY; ILL BRING SOME QF,MY OWN IDEAS AND COPIES OF IT FOR EVERYBODY AND WE CAN $TART ON IT. THI.$ MIGHT ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS *,I.GH. ABE COMING UP. GENE; WHY DANT WE DO THIS ON A NIGHT WHEN NOBODY IS PLAYING SO THE MANAGERS AN.D ALS, CAN BE HERE T00, TROY: NOW YOUR TALKING ABOUT SOFTBALL PROGRAMS, IM TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING t MINUTES PARKS AND CREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE Fl EEN GENE: NO IM TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING DO IT ON NIGHT WHEN NOTHINGS GOING ON. THEY CAN COME RIGHT HERE ITS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND NOW THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY. TROY: OK WHAT NIGHT PETER: I HAVE NO IDEA TROY: SUNDAY NIGHT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN FRIDAY NIGHT, I GOT NO PROBLEMS WITH SUNDAY NIGHT PETEJR; I DEEINATELY''FEEL THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND I FEEL THAT IT WAS A GOOD SUGGESSTION THAT WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AND GET THIS DOWN AND -FORM A POLICY THAT WE ALL CAN LIVE WITH LONNIE; WELL WHAT IM WONDERING MR CHAIRMAN IS IF WE NEED TO HEAR HIS RECOM- MENDATIQN$ fIRST, THATS WHAT HES FOR, COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS AND LETS SI:T DOWN AND LISTEN TO HIS IDEAS. THEN WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO WORK: ON, I HAYF NO OBJECTIONS TO COACHES AND MANAGERS BEING HERE TRQY� LLL RRIN� ,MY'. IDEAS IAF YQU ALL WILL BRING YOURS AND THE SOONER THE RFTTEP If . Y.pUl ASK MEt GENE; . SQ SET I_T f Q9 A $ATU,9DAY OR SUNDAT- PETER.; I. HAVE NO Pj?OBLEM WITH EITHER ONE ITS UP TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBkR5 ON WHAT THEY, WANT TO DO t LQNNIE; I, WONT BE, HERE SATURDAY' OR SUNDAY EITHER ONE LINDA, IgLE I -T .IQULDNT BE, THIS WEEKEND ANYWAY- LONNIE ANY�WEEKEND THATS THE ONLY TIME I HAVE WITH MY- FAMILY BECAUSE I *K. SOMETIME ON NIGHTS , PETER; I HAVE A SUGGESTION IF I MAY', WHY DONT WE GO AHEAD AND I FEEL THE ,MAST URQENT ISSUE -RIGHT NOW -IS IN REFERENCE TO PRACTICE ON WEEKENDS WE CAN SOLVE THAT RIGHT NOW TONIGHT AND ANYTHING LONG RANGE WE CQULD RRQBABLY PQSTPONE THAT TO OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MONTHLY ,�ME�TJ-Aft WE COULDIGET OUR IDEAS TOGETHER AND THEN FORMALLY ADDRESS IT, . �. ALL-MEMREAS AGREED THAT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA AND THEY WOULD WORK ON SETTING QQLI,CY AT THE NEXT REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING. DAVID QUESTIONS WHAT THE p'RQHLEMS WERE IN THE PAST. GENE SAYS THE LIGHTS WERE LEFT ON ALL NIGHTS NQ FINES WERE I,JPQSED RECAUSE THEIR WERE NONE. DISGUSSI,QN TUgNS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BEING GIVEN A SET OF KEYS AND HAYING THE FIELD-MQNI.TORED DURING REGULAR PATROLS AND IF THE LIGHTS ARE ON THEY COULD SHUT THEM -OFF AND LOG THE TIRE THEY DID SO SO THE TEAM �•., COULD BE CHARgED A f THE FOR THE TIME THE LIGHTS WERE LEFT ON MURE MI$C ATSGU5S..ION'•REGA9DING WHO WILL MONITOR THIS AND WHO WILL CHECK WITH.TNE. POLICE DEPT 6EPpRE-THE MONEY IS RETURNED TO SEE TF THE LIGHTS WERE pN. TRQ� SAYS WHOEVER IS TAKING THE MONEY SHOULD NOTIFY THE POLICE DEf�ARTMENT u ANY SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE TOURNAMENTS AND PRACTICE SESSIONS. I . , MINUTES PARKS AND RECREATION MARCH 259 1986 PAGE SIXTEEN LONNIE MADE A MOTION GENE INTERRUPTS AND SAYS WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO TAKE THE MONEY AND TROY SAYS THE GIRL WHO TAKES THE SOFTBALL MONEY GENE SAYS IS THAT GOING TO BE OK WITH THE CITY MORE DISCUSSION REGARDING HOW CAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BE NOTIFIED. LONNIE MADE A'MOTION WE ALLOW PRACTICE ON THE BALLFIELD FRIDAY SAT AND SUNDAY NI.1HTS LET IT BE ON THE HONOR SYSTEM AND WE PASS A NOTE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT fQR THEM TO CHECK FOR A $25.00 DEPOSIT PROVIDING THE Lj:,GHT$ ISS N@T ABUSED. SECONDED BY DOCt UNDER DI$CUS$I;ON CL OF SAYS Y'pU'MIGHT WANT TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO SAY $25.00 PLUS THE NORMAL, 'FEES LQNNI:EI YEA THATS WHAT TKANT, THE DEPOSIT WILL BE ABO13ETHE FEES gENE;HOI, HARD W.I•LL IT BE TO PUT A TIMER ON THE LIGHTS ASKS HOWARD HOWARD; ;MY�SECQN0 PROBLEM IS OUR POLICE DEPT WORRYING ABOUT BALLFIELDS I FtEL THEY H YE- ENOUGH TO Q AND ENOUGH RESPONSIBILITY THEN WORRYING %A Q AROUT A BALLgIELD AND LISHT$- LONNIE.,; WHAT PR04EM WOULD IT BE, HOWARD DONT THEY MAKE PATROLS BY BARR,ER STREET ALL THE TRME t HQWARD; WHEN DOES THE CLOCK START AND WHEN DOES THE CLOCK STOP FORH THE GUY, THAT I'S PAYING THE' 6I L L . LONN I:E; TT STARTS WHEN HE SIGNS OUT 'FOR IT AND STOPS WHEN HE SAYS HE.W, LL ON Ht$.APPLICATION. IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BUSY AND DOE$NT-GET BY,THEIR'FOR TWO HOURS AND THE LIGHTS ARE LEFT QN 1, I;$' THE MANA6 PROBLEM CA SE HE SHOULDNT HAVE LEFT THE L168,TS ON I:N .THE: fIj$T PLACE. HQIMRD STRONGLY: OBJECTS ABOUT THE POLICE DEPT MONITORING THE FIELD. MR'REGAN SUGGEST$ THAT,MR PQWELL AMEND HIS MOTION TO SAY THIS POLICY IS IN .FORCE & DAY. -A LEEK';ALL YEAR LONG WHEN THE LIGHTS NEED TO BE USED. JMR, PQWELL AMENDED US "MOTI-ON TO WHENEVER THE BALLFIELD IS NOT BEING USED If YOU -WANT TQ RENT THE BALLFIELD WE RENT IT. PETER RESTATE$ THE MQTI'ON -FOR 'VOTE PETER APOLOGIZE$ THAT WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER AND IN ACTUALITY SHE HAS BEEN SEATED B.Y.- THE COUNCIL AND SHE WILL BE 'VOTING ON THIS MOTION DO YOU UNDER STAND THE MQTI.ON OH, Y.ES I APQLOGIZE- AFTER WE.VOTE pN THIS ILL OFFICIALLY INTRODUCE YOU TO THE CQ*-jTTEE I'. HOPE YOU DONT MIiVD THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING ROLL CALL 'UNANIMOUS MOTION CARRIED. MINUTES F�MK4 ffio -.gEQ.�ATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE SEVENTEEN � GENE;' I HAVE ONE MORE THING FOR TROY PETER: OK BEFORE I INTRODUCE MARY GO AHEAD GENE: FINES BANK WHOS TAKING CARE OF THIS ? IN THE MENS LEAGUE WVVE LOST APPROXI14ATELY' $70.00 TO DATE IN THE WOMENS LEAGUE TROY"; WHAT WE'RE THE-TI'NES -FOR GENE; EJECTION'FROM GAMES, NO UNIFORMS, VARIOUS THINGS, WHOSE IMPQSING THIS, A MAN WAS ELECTED FROM A GAME THE MANAGER WENT IN TO PAY,THE'FINE THE GIRL WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT. TROY: NUMBER ONE I DONT KNOW' ANYTH I'NG ABOUT ANY FI NES CLIFF; STATES HE WAS THE MANAGER WHO WAS TURNED AWAY TRQY; PETER ASKS HJM IF HE WAS AWARE OF THE FINE BANK TROY; SAYS YES BUT I TOLD YOU I WAS AGAINST THE FINE BANK FROM THE START. LINDA; THAT$ THF-MONEY'vP "FRONT BUT WE DIDNT ELIMINATE PAYING THE FINES TRQY-; THAT UNDERSTANDING IM NOT AWARE OF BUT I CAN TELL YOU HOW WE CAN MNDLE I\T NOW.' - THAT I KNOW' YOUR DOING THIS GENE; WELL YOU SEE THE UMPIRES- ARE TRQY; I,TS NOT IN THE RULES GENE"; QH YES IT WA3 TRQY I:T$ NOT I -N THESE 'RULES GENE; IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE IN THERE ABOUT THE FINES BECAUSE THATS LOST nQNEX TQ THE CITY LI"NDA; WE ELIMINATED PAYING THE FINE BANK UP FRONT BUT ITS A $5 FINE THAT I$ IMPOSED $AYS GENE TROY;; IT$ NOT IN THF- 'RULES GENE; WE SAT RIIGHT HERE WITH ALL THE MANAGERS THAT THE FINES WOULD BE THE SAME AS LAST YEAR PAY, THE FINE BEFORE THE NEXT GAME. TROY; WELL WE NEED TO AMEND THE RULES NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO IF YOUR KEEPING THE LIST YOU NEED TO TURN IT IN TO TIE SO , GENE; I:T$ NQT UP TO THE UMPIRES TO BE -DOING THIS THE COMMISSIONER LAST SEASON TROY,; IF Y'OUR EJECTING SOMEONE FROM THE GAME THE SCOREKEEPER CAN KEEP TRACK. OF IT t �: r • MINUTES PARKS AND. -CREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE L_,,HTEEN GENE: IT SHOULD BE LOGGED IN THE SCOREBOOK FOR RECORD TROY: WELL WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO FINE THEM FOR EJECTIONS AND NOT HAVING UNIFORMS GENE: YOU GOT A UNIFORM THING AFTER THE FORTH GAME THEY CANNOT BE OUT OF UNIFORM ITS IN THE RULES LINDA ITS NUMBER 59 YOU ALSO HAVE A RULE THAT THEY CAN BE FINED OR SUSPENDED IF THEY DONT CLEAN UP THEIR DUGOUT THATS NUMBER 58 GENES AND NOBODY* IS ENFORCING IT TROY: ARE YOU HAVING APROBLEM WITH THE DUGOUTS LINDA AND -RULE NUMBER 66 SAYS ALL FINES GENE; ITS BEEN DIRTY ENOUGH FOR THE CITY TO COMPLAIN LINDA TROY -LOOK AT RULE NUMBER 63 IT SAYS ALL FINES ARE SET BY THE SEBA$TI'AN,RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND MUST BE PAID IN ACCORDANCE TO THE'SET TIME THAT IS MADE BEFORE THAT PLAYER OR TEAM CAN PLAY A6A I -N , GENE; RIGHT THATS THE ONE THAT WE VOTED IN THAT NIGHT PETER; I GOT A SUGGESTION SINCE WE HAVE A BRAND NEW COMPARTMENT OVER OUR BULLETIN BOARD OUT THERE WRY NOT MAKE A COPY OF THAT AND PQST THOSE 'RULESt GENE; SAYS COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE NOBODY IS ENFORCING THIS SO WHY DQ WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR'UNIFORMS ON AND WE STARTED THEN IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE WE FOUND ONE TEAM WITH'THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE WHO QIDNT HAVE UNIFORMS ON, OK IS THAT IT NOW I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO APOLOGIZE AND INTRODUCE MARY DECHAINE WHO HAS JUST RECENTLY BEEN APPOINTED TO SIT ON OUR COMMITTEE AND I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO WELCOME MARY MARY WELCOME TO OUR COMMITTEE AND I GUESS YOU KNOW EVERYONE HERE. WENT ON TO THE'REGULAR AGENDA HOWARD INDICATED THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE YACHT CLUB AND THIS FISHING TOURNAMENT SOME TIME DURING THE EVENING PETER SAYS FINE THAT WILL BE UNDER COMMITTEE MATTERS PETER INTQduces: ' DAN FULLER REGARDING A LOT AT THE BALLFIELD. MISC DI$CU$SI*ON FINAL DECISION PETER TO TAKE TO COUNCIL TO PURCHASE ?o„, ETER RECOGNIZES GEORGE FOR HIS REPORT GEORGE STATES HIS REPORT I'S LENGTHY AND PERHAPS ANY OTHER MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO SO FIRST. ALL AGREED R MINUTES PARKS AND ,iECREATION MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE NINETEEN ANDY SMITH 323 EASY STREET BROUGHT UP A PROBLEM WITH THE YACHT CLUB RAMP AND THE FACT THAT IT IS WASHING AWAY. HOWARD VOLUNTEERED TO GO DOWN IN SCUBA GEAR TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE LINDA TOLD MR. SMITH THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE'MAYOR WERE OUT THERE TODAY INSPECTING THE PROBLEM AND WERE ON TOP OF IT AS FAR AS REPAIRING IT GOES. HOWARD INDICATED THAT HE HAD SOMEONE WHO WOULD DONATE A LOAD OF ROCK TO GE PUT THERE TO HELP REPAIR THE PROBLEMS. BACK TO GEORGES REPORT NORTH COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION MEETING LAST MONTH GEORGE SPOKE ABOUT ASKING THE COUNTY FOR HELP TO PURCHASE DOCTOR FISCHERS LOT FOR PARKING FOR THE YACHT CLUB PETER TOLD GEORGE TO TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT BOAT REGISTRATION FEES ONLY' AND NOT TO ASK FOR MONEY TO PURCHASE ANY. PRQPERTY THAT T$ A JOB THAT THE CITY' COUNCIL MUST MAKE A DECISION ON, HOWARD SUGGESTED THAT WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO THE YACHT CLUB FOR POSSIBLE PURCHASE. NO NORTH. COUNTY REC REPORT KATHY NOT IN ATTENDANCE MEMBERS MATTERS: HOWARD REQUESTED DISCUSSION ON FISHING TOURNAMENT AT YACHT CLUB NO MOTION WAS'MADE TO MAKE THIS AN AGENDA ITEM HOWEVER, DISCUSSION CONTINUED ANYWAY'. -MARY-BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THE LIGHTS AT THE TENNIS COURTS WERE SHINING IN THE EYES OF THE AMBULANCE DRIVERS AT NIGHT AN D COULD THEY BE ADJUSTED TO AVOID THIS PROBLEM. PETER GAVE UP DATE ON THE REVENUE SHARING FUNDS TO BE USED FOR RECREATION. GEORGE MADE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, LONNIE SECONDED UNANIMOUS MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:15 P.M.