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HomeMy WebLinkAbout01211993 PZ City of Sebastian POST OFFICE BOX 780127 r~ SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA 32978 TELEPHONE (407) 589-5330 [] FAX (407) 589-5570 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING AGENDA JANUARY 21ST, 1993 CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL ANNOUNCEMENTS APPROVE MINUTES; OLD BUSINESS; NONE HOME OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE - ALL CLEAN MEMBERSHIP RENEWAL - THOMPSON NEW BUSINESS: HOME OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE - MARK SMITH'S TRACTOR SERVICE PUBLIC HEARINO - SIGN ORDINANCE SITE PLAN - GOLF COURSE EXPANSION CHAIRMANS MATTERS; MEMBERS MATTERS~ ATTORNEYS MATTERS; BUILDING OFFICIAL MATTERS; ENGINEERS MATTERS: ADJOURN NOTE; ANY PERSON WHO. DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE ON THE ABOVE MATTERS, WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE HEARD. SAID APPEAL MUST BE FILED WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WITHIN TEN DAYS OF DATE OF ACTION. (286.0105 F.S.) City of Sebastian POST OFFICE BOX 780127 [] SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA 32978 TELEPHONE (407) 589-5330 D FAX (407) 589-5570 PUBLIC NOTICE CITY OF SEBASTIAN 1225 MAiN STREET INDIAN RIVER COUNTY SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN, INDIAN RIVER COUNTY, FLORIDA, WILL HOLD A REGULAR MEETING ON THURSDAY, JANUARY 21ST, 1993 AT 7:00 P.M. IN THE CiTY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 1225 MAIN STREET, SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 21ST, 1993 VICE-CHAIRMAN THOMPSON OPENED THE MEETING AT 7:00 P.M. PRESENT; MR. SHROYER, MR. FIRTION, MR. THOMPSON, MRS. DAMP, MRS. KILKELLY, MR. FISCHER, MR. GOLDSTEIN ABSENT; MR. FULLERTON, MR. KRULIKOWSKI BOTH EXCUSED ALSO PRESENT; LINDA KINCHEN, SECRETARY, BRUCE COOPER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND DANIEL C. ECKIS, P.E. CITY ENGINEER ANNOUNCEMENTS; BRUCE COOPER REQUESTED THAT THE COMMISSION REVERSE ORDER OF BUSINESS TO MOVE THE SITE PLAN AHEAD OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE NO OBJECTIONS APPROVAL OF MINUTES: NONE OLD BUSINESS: HOME OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE- ALL CLEAN DOUOLAS SNAP 225 MIDVALE TERRACE - STATES TRAILER AND EQUIPMENT KEPT IN THE COUNTY PUBLIC HEARING OPENED AT 7:10 P.M. THERE WERE 16 LETTERS SENT ONE OBJECTION HAS BEEN RECEIVED PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 7:10 P.M. NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, STAFF HAS NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN THEIR RECOMMENDATION. A MOTION TO APPROVE THE HOME OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE FOR DOUGLAS SNAP AT 225 MIDVALE TERRACE MADE BY MR. FISCHER SECOND MR. FIRTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. MEMBERSHIP RENEWAL - J.W. THOMPSON - MR. THOMPSON EXC~JSES HIMSELF FROM THE TABLE AND TURNS THE MEETING OVER TO MRS. KILKELLY - MR. THOMPSON SPEAKS ON HIS BEHALF - MRS. KILKELLY ASKS IF THERE ARE ANY NOMINATIONS OTHER THEN MR. THOMPSON MR. FISCHER NOMINATED MR. THOMPSON NO OTHER NOMINATIONS NOMINATIONS WERE CLOSED. A MEMO TO CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDING MR. THOMPSON BE REAPPOINTED WILL BE SENT. MR. THOMPSON RESUMES CHAIRMANSHIP OF THE MEETING NEW BUSINESS: HOME OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE MARK SMITHS TRACTOR SERVICE, 127 CAPRI AVENUE PUBLIC HEARING OPENED AT 7:20 P.M. CLOSED AT 7:20 P.M. WITH NO COMMENTS MR. SMITH STATES HIS TRACTOR IS STORED OUT OF THE CITY - A MOTION TO APPROVE THE HOME OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE FOR MARK SMITHS TRACTOR SERVICE AT 127 CAPRI AVENUE WAS MADE BY MRS. KILKELLY SECOND MR. FISCHER PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 21ST, 1993 PAGE TWO SiTE PLAN - GOLF COURSE EXPANSION, PETER JONES ARCHITECT AND DAN ECKIS, CITY ENGINEER ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS STAFF PASSES OUT A SMALL REVISION iNCLUDING THE LOADING STALL - BRUCE GIVES THE STAFF PRESENTATION - SHIRLEY QUESTIONS LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT STATES IT SHOULD BE PROVIDED MR. ECKiS STATES WILL MAKE THE NECESSARY ADDITIONS TO THE DRAWINGS ALSO SHIRLEY STATES ADDITIONAL SCREENING SHOULD BE PROVIDED MR ECKIS STATES WILL ADD TO DRAWING AND IT WILL BE PHASED IN DRINKING WATER FACILITIES ARE DEFICIENT AND SHOULD BE LOOKED AT PER MR. FIRTION MR. THOMPSON STATES LEGEND NEEDS TO SHOW THE WORDS NEW/PROPOSED AND A NORTH ARROW IS NEEDED ALSO ALL THE REAR PATIO TO BE REMOVED SHOULD SHOW ON THE DRAWING. MR. THOMPSON MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN LANDSCAPING AND DRAINAGE PLAN AND BUILDING FLOOR PLAN AND ELEVATIONS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS NOS C1 AND C2 AS PREPARED BY THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN CITY ENGINEER DANIEL C. ECKIS, PE DATED JANUARY 8, 1993 AND AS SHOWN ON SHEET 3 AND 7 DATED JANUARY 7TH, 1993 PREPARED BY PETER W JONES PA AND ON SKETCH SUBMITTED AT MEETING SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS AND CHANGES: SHOW EXISTING UNDERGROUND ELECTRIC AND EXISTING POWER POLES SHOW LOADING STALL PUT IN ELECTRIC WATER COOLER IN VENDING MACHINE AREA ADD LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING TO EXISTING PARKING LOT AND LIGHTING TO NEW PARKING AREA. SECOND BY MRS. KILKELLY PASSED UNANIMOUSLY RECESS CALLED AT 7:55 P.M. BACK AT 8:10 P.M. ALL PRESENT SIGN ORDINANCE DISCUSSION - PUBLIC HEARING OPENED AT 8:10 P.M. STAFF MAKES PRESENTATION - BRUCE STATES HE FEELS THAT THE OWNER SHOULD DESIGNATE THE STREET FACADE IN CASE BUILDINGS ARE TURNED SIDEWAYS ETC FOR SQ FT REQUIREMENTS CURRENTLY IT IS ONE SQ FT FOR EVERY FOOT OF FRONTAGE MAXIMUM 100 SQ FT AT FRONT PROPERTY LINE INCREASED IF MOVED BACK BY 2 SQ FT PER FOOT NEW PROPOSED ORDINANCE ELIMINATES BILLBOARDS. PUBLIC INPUT - THOMAS L. GOLLADAY PASTOR OF THE UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST 1251 FELLSMERE ROAD SUGGESTS THAT CROSSES AND SYMBOLS OR LOGO'S BE SPEC EXCEPTIONS FOR CHURCHES, FRATERNAL AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS. CHRIS MEURETT - MELBOURNE SIGN COMPANY - LEAVES A BOOK TO BE COPIED TO THE COMMISSION STATES ORDINANCE NEEDS SOME SORT OF FREEDOM OF DESIGN FOR SIGNS CURRENT ORDINANCE LIMITS DESIGNS DUE TO CURRENT POLE REQUIREMENTS - STATES THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS ADVERTISING AREA OF SIGNS. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 21ST, 1993 PAGE THREE DAN PREUSS OF PREUSS REALTY 512 TRADE CENTER 100 FT OF FRONTAGE ON 512 - STATES SIGNS UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ARE THE SIZE OF NAMETAGS FOR THE COMMISSION FEELS NEEDS SOME DEFINITE CHANGES IN THAT AREA. CURT OXFORD- SIGN PAINTER - STATES A 4 X 8 PAINTED SIGN 32 SQ FT IF YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE COPY YOU CAN REPAINT WITHOUT A PERMIT BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE STRUCTURE YOU NEED A NEW PERMIT FEELS A NEW PERMIT SHOULD NOT BE NEEDED IF ALL YOUR CHANGING IS THE SHAPE AND NOT THE SIZE ALSO FEELS THAT CROSSES OR RELIGIOUS MURALS SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS SIGNS. STATES DIRECTIONAL SIGN SIZE SHOULD BE BASED ON THE SPEED LIMIT AND THEY SHOULD BE COMBINED TO CUT DOWN ON CLUTTER ALSO V SHAPE SIGNS SHOULD BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE CODE. PHIL TUMOLO - AUTO,COOL AND SEBASTIAN CAR DOCTOR - STREET FRONTAGE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT CLAIMS WHERE HE IS THERE ARE FOUR BUSINESSES BUT DUE TO THE STREET FRONTAGE RULE ONLY TWO SIGNS ARE ALLOWED. TOM COLLINS - IN FAVOR OF ELIMINATING OFF PREMISES SIG~NS FEELS SIDE SETBACKS SHOULD BE SET AND SHOPPING CENTER SQ FT SHOULD BE REDUCED FROM 30,000 TO 10,000 OR 15,000. TURNABLE LIGHTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED OR A VEHICLE FOR VARIANCE SHOULD BE ALLOWED - DEFINITELY AGAINST MAKING LARGER BY SETTING BACK FURTHER 22% OF HIS CUSTOMERS STATE THE SIGN BROUGHT THEM IN WHICH MAKES IT VERY IMPORTANT TO THE BUSINESS. JONI FITZPATRICK - MELBOURNE SIGN CO - RECOMMENDS DECORATIVE POLE COVER FOR SIGNS SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE SIGN SQ FT AND SHOULD BLEND IN WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ALSO AGREES THAT CROSSES SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED SIGNS - STATES SHE HAS FOUND THAT SIGNS ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO BUSINESSES THEN ADVERTISING. STAFF SUMMARIZATION BRUCE AGREES THAT CROSSES SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED - BUT CITY ATTORNEY NEEDS TO LOOK AT REQUEST. HE FEELS THAT PERMITS ARE NEEDED NO MATTER WHAT CHANGES ARE MADE TO BE SURE THAT THE NEW SiGN CONFORMS TO CURRENT ORDINANCES. FEELS THERE SHOULD BE SOME ALLOWANCE FOR V-SHAPED SIGNS DEPENDING ON THE DEGREE. ALSO STATES DIRECTIONAL SIGNS 3 1/2 FT HIGH 5 SQ FT TOTAL - ALSO FEELS THAT 15 FT SETBACK VS 5 FOOT SET BACK SHOULD NOT ALLOW A BIGGER SIGN FOR SETTING BACK FARTHER. AGREES THAT TUBULAR LIGHTING FOR SIGNS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, DEFINITELY AGAINST NEON SIGNS - BRUCE STATES THERE .SHOULD BE A BREAK POINT AND THEN THEY COME TO P 7 Z FOR APPROVAL. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 21ST, 1993 PAGE ON PAGE 6 MR. THOMPSON FEELS THAT ROOF LINE NEEDS TO BE DEFINED UNDER ROOF SIGN. PAGE 17 - 30 DAYS IS TOO LONG PER MR. THOMPSON SHOULD BE 15 MAX PAGE 18 - HOLIDAY SIGNS - TIME LIMIT PAGE 19 #3 LEFT OUT THE LAST SENTENCE BRUCE STATES PROBABLY DONE ON PURPOSES BUT WILL CHECK. PAGE 22 #3 DOESN'T' MAKE SENSE PER TOMMIE PAGE 35 h WILL BE DELETED PAGE 37 2ND SENTENCE SHOULD STATE TABLE i NOT FIGURE ONE PAGE 43 g NO SIGNS OVER THE R.O.W. PAGE 46 G - 6TH LiNE 2 WORDS ROOF LEVEL SAY RIDGE PAGE 47 D SAME AS 46 G PAGE 43 3a - NOT TO ENCROACH ON R.O.W. MR. GOLDSTEiN STATED HE iS IN FAVOR OF V SIGNS UP TO 90% ALSO STATES TUBULAR SIGNS ARE ATTRACTIVE BUT NEEDS CRITERIA 512 LOTS SHOULD HAVE SPECIAL CONSIDERATION- AGREES WITH NO SIGNS OVER THE R.O.W. MR. SHROYER STATES PAGE 356 OF LDC ITEM 6 BLDG #S SHOULD BE ON SIGNS ADD TO ORDINANCE MR. FIRTiON - DO NOT OMIT PERMITTING OF SIGNS - FEELS SIGN' ORDINANCE NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS PEOPLE AGREES THAT THE 512 BLDG NEEDS HELP BECAUSE AS YOU DRIVE BY YOUR NOT SURE WHO IS IN THAT BUILDING. MRS. DAMP - SETTING BACK TO MAKE LARGER IS FOOLISH - BETTER THE SIGN THE EASIER TO FIND ESPECIALLY WITH ADDRESS PROBLEMS. IN FAVOR OF PERMITS WITH A BREAK ON THE FEE IF PROBLEM OCCURS WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR. MRS. KILKELLY - IN GENERAL IN AGREEMENT_WITH MOST OF THE COMMENTS. MR. FISCHER - IN AGREEMENT WITH FRONTAGE MAJOR ARTERY SLOW SPEED SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 9:55 P.M. fffim6� fol PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 21ST, 1993 PAGE FIVE MR. THOMPSON STATED HE IS IN FAVOR WITH MOST COMMENTS SIGN ORDINANCE WILL BE CARRIED OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING CHAIRMAN STATES OATH ADMINISTRATION IS ON THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR APPROVAL. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:00 P.M.