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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12171996 CITY OF SEBASTIAN CITIZEN ADVISORY TASK FORCE MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF DECEMBER 17, 1996 Chairperson Ruth Sullivan called the meeting to order at 7:05 P.M. ROLL CALL: PRESENT: Chairperson Sullivan Mr. Reid Mr. Donini EXCUSED: Mr. Dabrowski Mr. Krulikowski ALSO PRESENT: Bob Massarelli, Community Development Director Bud Clark and Mike Scibelli of Clark, Roumelis and Associates Ann Brack, Recording Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES;, MOTION by Reid/Donini I move we accept the minutes as amended. Mr. Donini noted that in paragraph B on the first page, the first page is amended to read "that a portion of the Community Development Block Grant ....... " He also noted a second change on page three (3): "The Grant money can not be used on property East of Indian River Drive except for landscaping, street lighting, and benches and those types of things." A voice vote was taken. 3 - 0 motion carried. OLD BUSINESS: Mr. Donini asked Mr. Massarelli for an update on the Grant. Mr. Mike Scibelli of CRS explained that after checking with DCA, he anticipates that the Grant will be fully funded, however it has not been officially fully funded yet. We expect that it will be in the next thirty (30) days, and the City will be receiving formal notification. Mr. Massarelli noted that his understanding is that the delay was caused because Charlotte County had a referendum on the ballot which would have, in effect, saved that grant for them. They were waiting to see the outcome and it failed, so the Grant was not saved. CITIZEN ADVISORY TASK FORCE MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF DECEMBER 17, 1996 Mr. Donini noted that all proposed site plans from Mike Scibelli for the CAV CORP property entail at least some portion of Fellsmere Road being tom up, and we talked about some possibilities of funding for that. Has there been any progress with that? Mr. Massarelli responded that they have been communicating with the Department of Environmental Protection staff, and are waiting to hear from their non-point source people to see if there is some money there. We are also exploring other ways to accomplish that. He also informed the members that in addition to the four plans from the engineers, he would have additional ideas dealing with Fellsmere Road including erecting a barricade to test the closing of the road, also making it a one4ane, one-way road going eastbound. This would save the current parking that is on that road. Also putting some curves in that road as a calming device to lower speed limits, and make it more like a park-like setting. He wanted to present these as concepts tonight. He noted that all these ideas are not eligible for funding under the Grant, but might be funded from DEP or some other entity. Chairperson Sullivan commented at this time on the removal of Fellsmere Road, or closing it. She was adamantly opposed to closing Fellsmere Road, or accepting the conceptual drawings presented tonight, which she felt depicted the closing of that road. Mr. Scibelli responded that the intent of those drawings was to show it either way. That was why he showed it with a broken line so you could see it with or without the road. He noted that instead of making duplicates of each one, he used the broken line, and the intent was not to remove the road but to be able to look at the drawing and be able to conceptualize it either way. Chairperson Sullivan noted that on every set of conceptual plans it says "removal of road by others". She indicated that there was no agreement on it. There was no vote on it. Mr. Scibelli responded that that was not the intent. Chairperson Sullivan stated that that is what the plans call for. Mr. Scibelli noted that these are conceptual drawings only, not final plans. He also noted that if the road is removed, it will by "by others", as noted on the drawings, and if it is to be removed, it would not be done as part of this grant, but would probably be done in the future under separate mechanism if the City so desires. He didn't anticipate that road being removed. Chairperson Sullivan again refused to accept the explanations. Mr. Donmi commented that he thought that it was clear in the memo from Mr. Massarelli that these are proposed layouts, and it was our prerogative tonight to vote on them. Mr. Reid referred to a past effort to close that portion of Fellsmere Road and felt that no determination had yet been made about keeping or eliminating that piece of road. He noted that that is the reason why this Board is here, to make those recommendations to City Council. CITIZEN ADVISORY TASK FORCE MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF DECEMBER 17, 1996 Chairperson Sullivan noted that the Board was two (2) members short this evening, and there could be a majority vote but not a unanimous vote, and anything as controversial as this is should have every member of the Board present to vote on it. She stated that she would not like to see this acted on tonight out of courtesy to the members that could not be here. There was further controversy between Chairperson Sullivan and Mr. Reid, with Mr. Reid noting that there was a quorum present. Mr. Donini made an attempt to clarify the situation. Chairperson Sullivan asked Mr. Massarelli if the Board could get a drawing (plan) that does not show Fellsmere Road being removed so that they could act just on this, and not have the presented plans become part of the record. Mr. Massarelli noted that these plans are already part of the public record, and no one can make them disappear. He noted that the decision made here tonight can clearly state what you want on the drawings, and the engineer will go back and redo the drawings. If it is the intent of the Task Force to keep Fellsmere Road open, you can have the dotted line made permanent. If it is the intent of the Task Force to stay mute on that point, keep the dotted lines in with no comment. If it is the intent of the Task Force to close it, barricade it or change it to a one (1) lane road, the engineer will do it. That will then be official recommendation to City Council with an official drawing. Chairperson Sullivan then asked Mr. Donini if he was agreeable to delete this part that shows Fellsmere Road? Mr. Donini responded "no". He felt that eliminating the road might be the best decision for many reasons. Chairperson Sullivan then stated that since she was the third person making up the quorum, she was withdrawing herself from the meeting until a full committee was available to make a decision on this. Chairperson Sullivan also noted that she felt that this was part of a plan to close all of Indian River Drive to make it a walkway only and close the riverfront from the people of the city and started by the original Riverfront Committee. Mr. Massarelli made a statement to all present that there is n~o plan to close Indian River Drive to auto traffic; no secret agenda being presented here. He again suggested that we all focus on the CAV CORP property for the purposes of the grant, and the parking area there. These side issues should be put aside for tonight, and move ahead and look at these alternatives. Chairperson Sullivan stated that her two (2) fellow committee members have already indicated that they support closing Fellsmere Road, and she wants the rest of the members to be present to vote. There was discussion of when to schedule another meeting. CITIZEN ADVISORY TASK FORCE MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF DECEMBER 17, 1996 Chairperson Sullivan asked Mr. Donini again if he was willing to eliminate Fellsmere Road from the plan at this point. After great thought, Mr. Donini responded that he was prepared to vote on the entire plan tonight and fulfill the responsibility given to this committee and that is what he would prefer. At this point Chairperson Sullivan removed herself from the dais at 7:50 P.M. and sat in the audience. Mr. Bud Clark, President of CRS Engineering, noted that his company wrote this Grant, and said that according to state rules, a quorum on the Citizens Advisory Task Force is not required on this particular program. Local restrictions may require a quorum though. He also noted that if some decision is not made at the next meeting, he will not be able to close this Grant in time. At this point, Mr. Massarelli mentioned that this committee adopted Robert's Rules of Order when formed. Much discussion followed on how to handle the present situation. The City Manager, Mr. Thomas Frame was present and supported following procedures, and urged holding any recommendation till a full member board was present. Discussion followed by those present and the meeting recessed at 8:40 P.M. CITIZEN ADVISORY TASK FORCE ANN BRACK, RECORDING SECRETARY GERRY KUBES, SECRETARY City of Sebastian 1225 MAIN STREET [] SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA 32958 TELEPHONE (407) 589-5330 [] FAX (407) 589-5570 AGENDA CITIZEN ADVISORY TASK FORCE TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 1996 7:00 P.M. 1. CALL TO ORDER 2. ROLL CALL 3. MINUTES: OCTOBER 22, 1996 MEETING 4. OLD BUSINESS: 5. NEW BUSINESS: A. PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR CAVCORP PROPERTY 6. PUBLIC INPUT: 7. CHAIRMAN'S MATTERS: 8. MEMBERS' MATTERS: 9. STAFF MATTERS: 10. ADJOURN: NOTE: IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT (ADA), ANYONE WHO NEEDS A SPECIAL ACCOMMODATION FOR THIS MEETING SHOULD CONTACT THE CITY'S ADA COORDINATOR AT 589-5330 AT LEAST 48 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING. CATF.DOC City of Sebastian 1225 MAIN STREET [] SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA 32958 TELEPHONE (407) 589-5330 [] FAX (407) 589~5570 PUBLIC MEETING CITY OF SEBASTIAN 1225 MAIN STREET INDIAN RIVER COUNT~ FLORIDA THE CITIZEN ADVISORY TASK FORCE OF THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN, INDIAN RIVER COUNTY, FLORIDA, WILL HOLD THEIR REGULAR MEETING ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 1996, AT 7:00 P.M. IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. NOTE: IF ANY PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE ON THE ABOVE MATTERS, HE/SHE WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS, AND FOR SUCH PURPOSES, HE/SHE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY IN EVIDENCE ON WHICH THE APPEAL IS BASED. NOTE: IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT (ADA), ANYONE WHO NEEDS A SPECIAL ACCOMMODATION FOR THIS MEETING SHOULD CONTACT THE CITY'S ADA COORDINATOR AT 589-5330 AT LEAST 48 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING. CATF.DOC