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Mayor
City of Sebastian
POST OFFICE BOX 127 [] SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA 32958
TELEPHONE (305) 589-5330
Meeting of Sebastian Construction Board - 8/3/82 - 3:30 P.M.
AGENDA
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
NEW BUSINESS:
Billy Adams
Budget
Le tter/Howa rd
Credit Data Information
Rules and Regulations
ADJOURN
SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION Bi0'.ARD - AUGUST 3', 1'9'82
MEETING CALLED TO ORDER BY CHAIRMAN ED PALUCH AT 3:00 P.M.
PRESENT: MR. LANGLOIS, MR. TRIPP, MR~ HARRIS, MR. PALMER, MR. CALMES,
MR. PALUCH.AND ATTORNEY KILBRIDE.
ABSENT: MR. KIRRIE (EXCUSED VACATION)
MR. PALUCH STATED THAT ACCORDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING
MINUTES OF OCTOBER 12, 1981, HUSTON TRIPP, JIM HARRIS AND ED PALUCH
~.~E~PPOINTED TO THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD FOR A PERIOD OF THREE
YEARS.
MR. PALMER, MR. LANGLOIS AND MR. KIRRIE WILL BE RE,APPOINTED BEFORE
THEIR TERMS EXPIRE SEPTEMRER 30, 1982.
MR. CLAMES WAS APPOINTED FOR A THREE YEAR TERM ON OCTOBER 12, 1981.
MR. PALUCH STATED THAT THEMINUTES OF THE LAST TWO MEETINGS HAVE
BEEN PRESENTED AND THEY WILL BE APPROVED AT THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER
7, 1982.f
MR. PALUCH STATED THAT IT IS WOULD NOT BENEFIT THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD
TO TAKE MEMBERSHIP IN THE CREDIT DATA SERVICES OFFERED IN VERO BEACH,
THE COST IS PROHIBITED,FOR THE CITY, THE APPLICANT CAN GO DOWN AND
FOR A FEE OF $20.00 HAVE A CREDIT CHECK DOWN AND THE REPORT FORWARdeD
TO THE CITY.
MR? PALUCH STATED THAT THE BOARD HAD RECEIVED A LETTER FROMM R, DALE
HOWARD AND PROCEEDED TO READ THE LETTER tN ITS ENTIRETY. '(LETTER
ATTACHED) THE LETTER WASA FORMAL COMPLAINT REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION
OF HIS HOME BY JIM WALTERS HOMES. MR. PALUCH STATED THAT THE BOARD COULD
RECOMMEN~.'.,TH~TMR. MAYER, BUILDING OFFICIAL GO OUT AND CHECK INTO THE
-COMPLAINTS, AND GIVE THE BOARD A WRITTEN REPORT ON THIS iTEM.
MR. PALUCH QUESTIONED MR. MAYER, BUILDING OFFICIAL, AS TO WHETHERHE
WAS FAMILIAR WITH THIS JOB.
MR. MAYER, BUILDING OFFICIAL, REPORTED THAT THE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS
JOB WAS VERY POOR BUT THAT THERE ARE'NO CODE'VIOLATIONS ON THE JOB.
SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE 3USTIFIED,
MR. PALUCH THEN QUESTIONED MR. MAYER AS TO WHETHER JIMWALTERS DID:..NQ~ .... '~
FULFILL THEIR END OF THE CONTRACT.
MR. ~M~,.~_Y. ER STATED THAT ~JIM WALTERS I~Tn.~?NoT FUt¥IL? THEIR ]~0RTIONi~OF THE'. '-'
CONTR~CT '.'. AND THAT THEY O~ED MR. HOWA~ THE COURTSEY? OF COMING AND
LOOKING AT HIS PROBLEMS.
MR. PALUCH STATED THAT SEVERAL YEARS' AGO THE BOARD WAS INSTRUCTED TO
INVESTIUA~E~iONLY CODE VIOLATIONS AND NOT 'TO GET INT0 THE COSMETICS,
WORKMANSHIP, AND QUALITY PROBLEMS' OF CONSTRUCTION.
MOTION BY MR. HARRIS SECONDEDBY'MR. CALMES, THAT THIS LETTER IS AN
ISSUE FOR ANOTHER COMMITTEE AND THAT THIS BOARD ONLY DEALS IN CODE
VIOLATIONS AND THAT THIS IS THE QUALITY AND WO1LKMANSHIP OF A PARTICUI2%R
CONTRACTOR WHICH THERE ARE NO TWO CONTRACTORS THE SAME. CARRIED.
SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD -~ AUGUST 3, 1982
MR. PALUCH, CHAIRMAN, READ ATTACHED LETTER TO MR. JOHN QUINCY
(BILLY) ADAMS IN iTS ENTIRETY.
ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY SPEAK DIRECTLY I THINK,
MR. AIJAMS YOU AR]f REPRESENTED TODAY BY MR. FROMANG, ATTORNEY AT
LAW, TO HELP US PROCEED A LITTLE FASTER IF WE CAN, CAN WE BASICALLY
AGREE THAT THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE SEB~iSTIAN~
GONSTRUCTION BOARD HELD ON JULY 29, 1982, WOULD BE IN EFFECT RECOG-
NIZE BY THE BOARD AS TESTIMONY-,', JUDICIAL NOTICE IN REGARD TO THE
FACTS SURROUNDING THE TESTS AND WE,ALSO HAVE YOU SEEN THE LETTER
OF JULY 29, 1982 FROM THE CHAIRMAN TO THE MAYOR CONCERNING THE
FINDINGS OF FACT FROM THE BOARD ?
ATTORNEY FROMANG: I HAVE JUST NOW, THE SECRETARY GA~E ME A COPY OF
THE Mi'NUTES AND I AM STILL READING, BUT BASED UPON WHAT WAS SAID
THE OTHER DAY IF THESE MINUTES REFLECT WHAT WAS SAID THE OTHER DAY
BY THE VARIOUS WITNESSES, ARTIE MAYER, BY THE BOARD ITSELF, WE WOULD
OF COURSE RECOGNIZE THE MINUTES AS ACCURATE STATEMENTS.
ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: THE MINUTES ARE VERBATIM.
MR. PALUCH: DEBBIE, IS THAT OTHER PACKAGE HANDY? DO WE HAVE COPIES
O-~TERS, TWO LETTERS AVAILABLE, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO MR.
FROMANG.
ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: MR. FROMANG IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE BOARD
RECOGNIZING THE CONTENTS OF THE 'JU~Y 29TH. LETTER TO THE MAYOR? RE-
GAP, DING THE FINDINGS OF FACT.
MR. FROMANG: I /0F COURSE THINK THAT THEY SHOULD PUT. WHAT THE BOARD
FOUND /'"THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD SAID.
ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: AND, ONE FINAL THING, CALLING WITNESSES AS FAR AS
~HE CiTY IS CONCERNED, NORMALLY WE WOULD BE ENTITLED TO DO THAT FIRST,
SINCE THE BOARD HAS THE MINUTES AND THE LETTER, ,. IF YOU HAVE NO OBJECTION
I WOULD PREFER THAT THE CITY WOULD STAND ON WH~ HAS BEEN PRESENTED
AND RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CALL ANY WITNESSES IF NECESSARY. MR.' FROMANG:
RIGHT. MR. KILBRIDE: WE WOULD LIKE FOR MR. ADAMS TO
FROMANG:'-' ARE YOU GOING TO QUESTION HIM? MR'. KILBRIDE: .IF HE WOUL~
~ MAKE A STATEMENT AND THE BOARD ASK QUESTIONS. 'MR, FROMANG:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE BOARD. BILLY AD~ HAS ASKED
ME TO COME AND REI~RESENT HIM TODAY, GENTLEMEN, AND MY NAME IS STEPHEN
FROMANG, MY OFFICE IS IN VERO BEACH, FLORIDA, 2183 PONCE DE LEON CIRCLE,
I HAVE JUST HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS 'VERY QUICKLY, THE MINUTES OF
THE MEETING, AND I MIGHT CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO WHAT I SAID PREVIOUSLY
AT THE LAST MEETING, PARTICULARLY ON PAGE 8, AS FAR AS BILLY IS CONCERN~
ED HE BELIEVES THAT A PROPER EXAMTNATION WAS ADMINISTERED AND I THINK
THAT THAT IS WHY WE ARE ALL HERE TODAY, D~N .INDICATED .THAT PERHAPS
THE BOARD DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT MAYBE IT WAS PROPER EXAMINATION.
THINK THAT BILL'Y CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS TO I{OW'._HE, VIEWED THE EXAM-
INATION AND WHAT HE THOUGHT OF THE EXAMINATION AND HIS RELIANCE UPON
WHAT YOUR AGENT ADMINISTRATOR DID, WITH' RESPECT TO SUCH PRESENTATION
OF EXAM QUESTIONS AND THE PROMPTING OF IT AND VARIOUS OTHER ASPECTS
THAT WE GOT INTO LAST TIME.
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- I'M BILLY ADAMS AND THE TEST THAT I WAS GIVEN, YOU KNOW
TOOK WITH ALL HEART AND INTEREST THAT IT WAS A TEST TO
DO WORK WITH AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING'. AND TO ME WHEN I
TOOK THE TEST,I WAS JUST, I THOUGHT THAT I'._W~S TAKING THE TEST FOR
THE LICENSE BUT I NEVER GOT IT, JUST LIKE WHEN THE GUY MADE UP THE
QUESTIONS AND ALL AND I WAS, THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT I HAD WAS MY
LICENSE, BASED ON THAT, CAUSE WHEN I LEFT THAT OFFICE I WAS A HAPPY
MAN CAUSE I HAD PASSED THE TEST. OTHER THEN ME THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT
I HAD DONE. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AND I FELT FREE FOR
IT CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THAT IS WHAT I HADii~TOOK.
MR. PALUCH: WE YOU AWARE WHEN YOU TOOK THE TEST BILLY THAT OTHER
~ REQUIRED TO TAKE A WRITTEN EXAM? MR. ADAMS: YEA, BUT
ALSO HEARD OF THE ORAL TEST AND THOUGHT THAT T~T I WAS
GETTING AND TO ME I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS DONE. AS FAR
AS DOING IT, TO ME THAT WAS IT, AND I WAS ONE HAPPY MAN. BEC~SE
I HAD GOTTEN SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. BASED ON THAT, THAT IS WHAT
I HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST ELEVEN MONTHS. I HAD NO DOUBT IN
MY MIND, WHATSOEVER, THAT WHAT WAS DONE WAS NO OTHER WAY THEN RIGHT
AFTER THE MAN HAD GOTTEN THE QUESTIONS AND SO I FELT FREE TO DO MY
WORK AND CARRY ON. BU~ IF I DIDN'T I WOULD Hi, YE?USED IT FOR WHAT IT
WAS WORTH, BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY .ABOUT IT AND I HAVE NEVER FELT
THAT WAY ABOUT I'T. THATS'ALL I KNOW.
MR. TRIPP: AT ANY TIME BILLY, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE HEARD OR IN OTHER
WORDS THAT YOU WERE AWARE O~%~.THE FACT 'THAT OTHER PEOPLEHAD TO TAKE A
WRITTEN EXAMINATION BUT YET YOU HA D HEARD OF.'AN ORAL EXAMINATION ON
WHAT BASIS,WAS,O~f~TME ORAL EXAMINATION THAT YOUHADHEARDOF WAS THAT.
MR. ADAMS.: THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.I...TOOK. MR.'TKIPP: WHERE DID YOU
~ AN ORAL EXAMINATION? M~.' ADAMS':~UND, DIFFERENT ONES,
BUT THEY SAID THEY DID GIVE AN OP,~.MR.'TKIPP: THAT BLOCK DOES?
MR. ADAMS: THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT THAT I W~G.
MR'. PALUCH: ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE ANY'qUESTIONS?
MR. HARRIS: DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW BILLY WHAT HAPPENED? Mlt,'kDAMS: YEA,
BUT I dAN LOOK BACK .AT THE DAY THAT I DONE IT AND I CAN"T'-~.
HARRIS: NOW YOU REALIZE THAT IT WAS NOT THE PROPERYTEST, NOW TI{~ IT
HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO YOU.
MR. FROMANG: I AM GOING TO OBJECT TO THAT, I DON~T THINK THAT IT HAS
Bq~INED IF BILLY DID, '(UNABLE.TO TRANSCRIBE).HE. IS STILL UNDER
THE IMPRESSION THAT THE TEST~IS GIVEN, AS FAR AS HE IS CONCERNED, IT
IS AT THAT TIME MR.' HARRIS: WE HAVE NEVER MADE MENTION TO HIM. MR.
FROMANG: IT IS NOTNE~CESSARY IF THERE IS ONLY ONE QUESTION THAT
WoULD"~UNTRANSCRIBARBE) IF WOULD NOT 'MATTER TO HIM WHAT TEST THAT THEY
GAVE HIM AS FAR AS HE IS CONCERNED, IT IS YOUR ADMINISTRATOR THAT HAD
THAT...'TO DO, NOT BILLY ADAMS. MR.''HAt~tIS: SO YOU.ARE STILL UNDER THE
IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS THE RIG~TAKE. MR. ~DAMS: RIGHT.
MR. TRIPP: BILLY WERE YOU AT ANY TIME EVER TOLD TI~,WAS THE H &
~XAMINATION? MR, ADAMS: I .CAN'T SAY THAT I WAS OR WASN'T, I
JUST ASSUMED THAT IT,~IPP: AS FARAS YOU KNO~'YOU NEVE~WEP~E
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ALL THE, I HEAR ALOT, B~T, YOU KNOW, 'AS FAR AS THE TEST AND ALL
I THOUGHT THAT WHAT I TOOK I THOUGHT PROVIDED ME W~TH, TO GO OUT
AND DO A JOB IN VARIOUS PLACES. THAT 1S FROM MY HEART, THAT IS
WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I GOT MY LICENSE.
MR. LANGLOIS: AS' FAR AS YOU ARE ,CONCERNED YOU TOOK A LEGITIMATE
TEST TO BE A MASTER PLUMBER,? MK. AI)AI~I~: YES SIR,
MR. CALMES: COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE CONDITION OF WHICH YOU TOOK THE
~ YOU HEAR IN CITY HALL, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. MR. ADAMS:
JUST THE SHERIFF AND I. HE HAD ALL 'THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS IN FRONT
OF HIM AND HE WOULD ASK ME AND I WOULD ANSWER HIM.
MR. KILBRIDE: MR. ADAMS LET ME ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS CONCERNING
~E'ADMINISTRATION OF THE TEST. HAD-YOU. SEEN THE TEST~?PRiOR TO'
THE EXAM? MR. ADAMS: NO SiR. MK,:..-KILB~IDE':- DID YOU.SEE .THE ANSWERS
YOU HAVE AN OPEN BOOK TEST OR A~OK TEST? MK.'AUAI4S:'THEY
WERE JUST QUESTIONS' THAT THE CHIEF HAD THAT THE MAN-~RED FOR
ME TO MR. KIU IDE.: NOT HAYS ROOK OPEN? aDAMS:
NO SIR. MR. K'ILB:KIDE': YOU D~D NOT HAVE THE BOOK~OPEN'~'' IN FRONT OF
YOU, YOU COULD A~SWER THE QUESTZONS..DIRECTLY FROM. YOUR-MEMORY AND
O EDGE OF THE BUS'ZN SS. DAMS: 'SIR. m.' nL InS: PRIOR
TO THE MASTER PLUMBERS TEST ~A JOURNEYMAN, A-JOUi~/~EYMAN PLUMBER.
MR. ADAMS: RIGHT. MR. KILB~IDE': DID YOU HAVE TO'TAKE AN EXAM FOR
T~. A~AMS.: NO, I HAVE "~ST DONE PLUMBING FOR FOUR~EN YEARS.
MR. KIL~k-~OW DID YOU QUALIF~TO BE A ~OURNEYMAN? '~: THEY
GIVE Y0~ A CARD WHEN YOU START WORKING FOR MAXWELL AND YOU
A CARD AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE.A..CARD AND IT IS TWO OR THREE DOLLARS I
GUESS FOR A JOURNEYMAN. MR.' KILBRTDE: YOU D~DN'T HAVE TO TAKE. A TEST?
MR. ADAMS: NO YOU DON'T HAVETO TAKE A TEST FOR THAT 'MR.'KILBRIDE:
YOU JUST~WORKUNDER A MASTER PLUMBER WAS ALL IT TAKES.i".M~,' A~AMS: YES,
SIR. MR.' KILBKIDE: GOING BACK TO, WELL,-HAVE..YOUAPPL~E~-~STER
PLUMBER IN ANYoTHER CITY OR COUNTY? MR. AUA~S':' NO SIR. 'MR. KILBK!DE:
PRIOR TO APPLYING THROUGH SEBASTIAN? '~I'DE: ON THE DAY THAT YOU
CAME IN TO TALK TO ARTIE, YOU C~ 1N AND' SAiD THAT YOU WANTED TO APPLY
TO BE A MASTER PLUMBER YOU KNEW. THAT A TEST WAS REQUIRED AT THAT TIME.
MR.' ADAMS: YES SIR. MR. KILB~IDE.:. AT THE TIME THAT YOU Ai~PLIED YOU
~ THERE WAS A WRIT~EN EXAlt, THAT I'S WAS A STANDARD TEST THAT
WAS ADMINISTERED BY BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES? IS.TH~T. TGOKRECT,.YOU DID
KNOW THAT? A/~SWER'.YES O'R NO. M~. AUAMS":."... YES SIR. MR. KILBKIDE: WHAT
DID YOU SAY TO A~Ti:'E' ~ABOUT THE' ~.: "AD~: THAT, YOU KNO~ ~COULD
I HAVE AN ORAL TEST? MR. K'ILBRIDE: HA~--~D OF ANYONE ELSE. BEING
ADMiNISTERED AN ORAL TEST?'~:', NO, 3USTWI{AT I HAD HEARD, THAT
THEY DID GIVE AN ORAL TEST AND THAT IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE.
MR. KILBRIDE: THAT THE CITY GAVE AN ORAL TEST~OR THAT THE BLOCK PEOPLE ?
~'i'~.~RAMS:~"I WAS SEEING THAT BLOCK WAS THE CITY. WHENEVER THE QUESTIONS
~ARED FOR ME THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT THAT I WAS TAKING, LIKE I
SAID A WHILE AGO. MR. KILBRIDE: WHAT DO YOU RECALL ARTIE SAYING TO
YOU ABOUT TAKING THE ORAL TE~STi MI{,'AI)AMS: THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO GET
THE ANSWERS, GET THE TEST MADE UP~LB~IDE: SO YOU KNEW AT THAT
TIME THAT HE WAS MAKING UP A SPECIAL'TkST 3DST'FOR YOU. MR. ADAlO~:
WELL, NO, I JUST THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A TEST FOR ORAL TEST~'-'I~WOULD
HAVE TO GET TOGETHER. THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO GET TOGETHER. THAT HE WOULD'
HAVE TO GET TOGETHER FOR THE ORAL TEST. THIS IS THE WAY THAT I THOUGHT
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~tA]~.?TH~Y GAVE THE ORAL TEST. THIS 1S THE WAY:-THAT I THOUGHT
THEY GAVE FOR MATTER 1F IT WAS A STATE LICENSE, IT WAS AN ORAL
TEST THAT IS' THE WAY I..THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GIVEN THE WAY THAT
I TOOK IT. MR.' KILBR1DE': YOU D~D NOT RECOGNIZE THAT THIS TEST
WAS BEING MADE ESPECIALLY FOR YOU? MR'. ~DAMS: NO SIR, MR,KILBRIDE:
Tm T IS WAS MADE FOR Am ONE ELSE WrrO'.COtZD
AN ORAL TEST RIGHT. I KNEW THAT YOU, .~TENT FOR THE TEST
W~. 'N~ SOMEWHERE IN THE ROOM AND DID IT WITH YOUR PENCIL AND PAPER,
I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE WAY THAT THEY GAVE ORAL TEST, LIKE THEY DID
ME. CAUSE WHEN I WALKED OUT OF THERE .ITi'W`AS JUST LIKE ~OUSAND
OR TWO THOUSAND BILL GIVE TO ME BECAUSE 1 WAS HAPPY. AND THAT IS
WHAT I HAD DONE, I 'HAD GOTTEN MY LICENSE, I HAD ACCOMPLISHED IT AND
I GOT MY LICENSE. MR.' KILBRIDE: HOW MUCH DID.YOU PAY THE BUILDING
DEPARTMENT FOR THE LICENSE AND 'TESTING? MR.. ADAMS..: NOTHING FOR THE
TEST JUST FOR THE LICENSE IS ALL I'PAID FOR. '.MR-.-' KtLBRIDE: OKAY,
HOW MUCH WAS THAT? MR. At)AMS: I DON"T KNOW,' I%~R~i:..~ILBRIDE: THE
STANDARD? MR. AUAMS.--~LLARS' 'RIGHT... ".MR..' KILBRTDE': ..DID YOU
PAY THE BUIL'~ICIAL ANYTHING? 'MR.' AX)AMS:' NO..SIR,., ~'..MR...KILBRIDE:
FOR ADMINISTRATING THE TEST? MR.' A~.:' ..NO..SIR.. MR,' KIL~
ANY OTHER. PERSON EMPLOYED BY TRY'S---C"f%~Y. ' MR', mJAMS': NO S'~R. '
MR. KILBRI'DE: YOUR STATEMENT TO THE BOAPm~U PAID $~'0.00 FOR
YO~U'R LTCENs~, AND THAT NO OTHER ~UNDS WERE GrVEN TO ANYOTHER PERSON?
MR. ADAMS: NO ONE, NO ONE WHATSOEVER. AND I WILL SAY THAT UNDER OATH.
MR. KILBRIDE: COULD YOU COME BACK LATER AND ASK ART1E TO SEND. LETTERS
TO'BREVARD COUNTY AND'.. INDIAN RIVER COUNTY S'O YOU CAN GET A LICENSE IN
THOSE COUNTIES? ' M~. ADAMS: WELL, ALL m THOUGHT..THEY HA~)'TO HAVE WAS
RECORDS, BECAUSE' ~ RECOGNIZES THE TEST, YOU KNOW' 'THE LICENSE,
THEN I FOUND OUT THE LAW' DIDN"T, SO I D~DN'.T GO BACK,BECAUSE. I KNEW I
HAD TO TAKE A ONE HOUR ADMINISTRATIVE TEST, SO I DIDN'T GO BACK. AND
ONE, ~"rlE.'ONE IN MOOREHAVEN, WAS FOR ~UST SETTING ..FIXTURES, FOR A NINE
UNIT MOTEL, IT WAS JUST FOR SETTING THE FIXTURES, THAT WAS NEVER EVEN
CARRIED THROUGH'... BUT IT IS THE PROCEDURE THAT YOU. HAVE,.TO. DO .WHENEVER
YOU GO I GUESS, TO PROVE THAT A MAN HAS A LICENSE. MIt,' K'ILBRIDE: BUT
YOU CAME TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND SAID I NEED TO-GET A~LICENSE
IN THOSE COUNTIES. MR. ADAMS: OR JUST SEND A RECORD, OR JUST SEND MY
RECORDS DOWN TO WHERe.' IfI.L~.,RIDE.: IS THAT ALL YOU. ASKED THEM TO
DO. MR.' ADAMS: YES', OR A LETTER M~HOWIN'G MY' LICENSE. 'MK.' KILBR1DE: YOU
ARE i~LICENSED AS A MASTER PLUMBER IN WHAT OT~R 'COMMUNITY BESIDES
SEBASTIAN. MR, ADAMS: INDIAN RIVER AND PALM BAY, BUT I NEVER WORKED
UP THERE, THE ONLY' REASON I WONDERED UP THAT"AWAY IS FOR THE CONTRACTORS
THAT I WAS DOING WORK FOR IN CASE THEY HAD TO GO UP THERE TO BUILD A
HOUSE. I DID NOT WANT TO WORK UP.THERE, BUT I WANTED IT IN CASE THEY
WENT TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE. 'MR. KILBR1DE: .YOU PRESENTLY 'OWN A LICENSE
BUT YOU ARE NOT DOING ANY JOBS' PRESENT.' MR':i:/..:ADAMS??.TN~i. iI~;
NE~VER DID....iiMK.-!../{TLBRIDE:.:,'.. i~RIE..YOU..PRESENTLY' DOING' ANY JOBS IN INDIAN RIVER
COUNTY? MR ADAMS.-: YES SIR. 'MR,. KILBRIDE: AND OF COURSE YOU ARE DOING
SOME JOBS-~SEBASTIAN. -M 1 t.' AUAMS: YES SIR.' MR. ~LAN~_LOIS: HOW
DO YOU FEEL ABOUT TAKING THE sTANDARD BLOCK TEST, HOW DO YOU-FEEL ABOUT
THAT. MR. ADAMS: WITH THIS BOOKS AND STUFF, I CAN FORGET IT, MR. CALMES:
CAN YOU--~. MR. Al)AMS: YES, BECAUSE I CANNOT READ. AND WRI~
WELL, I DON'T READ THE NEWSPAPER, THIS IS TRUE, I WORK~.D ALL MY LIFE,
NEVER HAD SCHOOLING MUCH OVER THE EIGHT GRADE. MR, .U~AT~MES: COULD I
ASK A FEW QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO YOUR EXPERIENCE';-----------'7,' .. .-~. ,.-
SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD - AUGUST 3, 1982
MR CALMES: THIS GENE ESTES, 2 YEARS MR. AD.,AMS.: 3 YEARS, YES SIR,
MR. CALMES: WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF YOUR DUTIES FOR GENEESTES,
YOU~ ~0URNEYMAN PLUMBER? MR. ADAMS: YES SIR, I WAS EVERYTHING, I DID
THE WHOLE THING, I OPENED H~-f-~SS UP AND RUN IT FOR HIM FOR 3 YEARS.
MR. CAI2v~S: IS GENE ESTES A MASTER PLUMBER ALSO, MR. ADAMS: HE HAS
HIS LICENSE'/ YES SIR. MR. CALMES: WOULD YOU SAY T~ HIS ASSiSt'
TANT? MR. AI)AMS: I WAS-~WHEN IT COMES TO PLUMBING.BY MYSELF.
MR. CAL~0 giST MAXWELL PLUMBING FOR ONE YEAR, CAN YOU DE-
SCRIBE YOUR DUTIES WITH MAXWELL? MR.~AIXa24S: YES SiR, I WORKED FOR A
YEAR SETTING FIXTURES. MR. 'CALMES:-'~O LISTED DAVID HINES FOR ONE
YEAR, MR. ADAMS: THAT W~"-~ HOUSES THAT ESTES WAS DOING THEN
ABOUT F~AGO. MR. '~'S: AND HAWKINS PLUMBING, SEVEN 'YEARS.
WHAT WERE YOUR DUTIES.'TH~.R~~: TOP OUT, ROUGH IN AND FIXTURES
ANDWHEN I STARTED OFF IT WA~-~As~ COAST PLUMBING FOR TWO OR
THREE YEARS, THAT IS WHEN I STARTED OFF AS A LABORER. MR. CALMES: WITH
THIS, AS THOUGH YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THE RUNNING OF A ~.ADAI~':
I DID IT, I..ORDERED MATERIAL AND OPENED.!THIS BUSINESS UP. HE HAD-~
LICENSE AND ItKEPT_.'I~L.OPEN.LMAY0~_i~OOD: MR. ATTORNEY, THAT CONVERSATION
SHOULD BE WHERE IT SHOULD BE ON TAPE PLEASE. ,M~.' ' KI,LB~I~..: MR. FROMANG:
DID YOU WISH TO PRESENT ANY OTHER WITNESSES. ~-m-~'-'i'FROMA~d'.' OTHER THAN
PEOPLE WHO COULD ENDORSE HIS PROFICIENCY, XF THATSWHAT .THE BOARD WOULD
LIKE TO HEAR.AND HIS REPUTATION IN...THE..C~ITY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
ENTERTAIN SUCH A TESTIMONY.'MR.' PALUCH: I THINK WE'AP, E:BRDBLEMED, WHERE
THE BOARD LIES IS THE FACT THAT A LICENSE HAS BEEN GRANTED OTHER THAN
WHAT IS PERSCRIBED IN OUR ORDINANCE. I THINK WE ALL BEING IN THE BUS-
INESS WORLD REALIZE THAT IGNORANCE FOR THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE. THE CHIEF
OF POLICE OF THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN TOLD ME I COULD SPEED UP ON U.S.#1
IN AN EXCESS-OF 55 M.P.H'. AND THEN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAUGHT ME
W~ULB I AT THAT POINT BRING IN WHO EVER GAVE ME THAT PERMISSION TO DO
SO AND SAY HE TOLD ME I COULD DO IT, ITS:ALRIGHT, I BELIEVED HIM, IT
IS HIS CITY, HE DOES MAKE UP THE RULES, BUT SOMEBODY WITH MORE POWER
OF THAT INDIV~DIiAL..CAUGHTME. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE HAVING OUR DIFFICULTY.
MR. CALMES: I HAVE A QUESTION OF OUR ATTORNEY. BY THE ISSUANCE OF THIS
T~ICENSE BY ARTIE MAYER THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, IS THAT NOT THE
FACT BEING ISSUED BY US. MR. k'TLB~TDE: .CAN WE RESERVE THAT QUESTION
UNTIL WE ARE FINISHED WITH THE EVIDENCE, THATS A VERY GOOD QUESTION
MR. FROMANG HAS EVERY RIGHT TO ADDRESS THaT VERY QUESTION.THAT IS WHY
WE ARE SITTING HERE. IF THE BOARD DOES NOT NEED ANY FURTHER TESTIMONY
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR A BRIEF STATEMENT.
MR. PALUCH: IN WHAT REGARD? MR. KILBRIDE: IN REGARD TO THE ISSUANCE OF
~ND TAfE;~OWLEGE OF MR. ADAMS' coNceRNING THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING.
MR. PALUCH: THE WAY I SEE IT, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, YOU THOUGHT
BILL YOU WERE GETTING A GOOD TEST.'M~JADAMS': YES SIR. MR, PALUCH: YOU
THOUGHT YOU SUBMITTED A COMPLETE APFL~,PAID THE .P~AND
EVERY THING YOU DID AS PERSCRIBED BY OUR ORDINANCE. MR.' AUAMS: YES SIR.
MR. ADAMS::THERE ARE PEOPLE IN HERE THAT SAW HOW HAP~T DAY
AND'I HA~ "DONE IT. MR. K1LB'RI'DE: I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THE RECORD
COMPLETE BEFORE THE BOARD~CAN MAKE A DECISION, MR. BUILDING OFFICIAL.
MR. MAYER WOULD YOU RELATE TO THE BOARD THE DAY THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THE
DAY MR. ADAMS CAME TO X~0.U REQUESTING AN APPLICATION FOR A MASTERS PLUM~i
BING PERMIT.
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MR. MAYER: TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, ITS A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO,
MR. ADAMS CAME TO ME AND HE SAID IS THERE ANYWAY THAT HE COULD TAKE
AN ORAL TEST BECAUSE WITH HIS EDUCATION, HE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND TO
READ OR WRITE TO PASS A WRITTEN TEST. I THINK, I REALIZE AT THIS TIME
THAT WHAT I"DONE WAS WRONG, BECAUSE IT iS AGAINST THE ORDINANCE BUT I
DIDN'T REALIZE IT AT THAT TIME AND I KNEW MR. ADAMS FOR QUITE A FEW
YEARS, I KNEW HE WAS A PLUMBER. A PLUMBER SORT OF WORKS IN A DIFFERENT
FIELD THAN A CARPENTER. A CARPENTER USUALLY HAS FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE
THERE WITH HIM, A PLUMBER HAS NO BODY, HE IS THERE ALONE, ITS EITHER
RIGHT OR WRONG, HE DOES~IT. I KNEW MR. ADAMS FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS
AND I DID REALIZE AND NEVER REALLY KNEW UNTIL HE TOLD ME THAT HE DIDN'T
HAVE ANY EDUCATION. BLOCK DOES-NOT GIVE AN ORAL TEST FOR PLUMBING CON-
TRACTORS, THEY DO GIVE AN ORAL TEST BUT FOR ONLY FOREIGNERS THAT CAN'T
READ OR WRITE AMERICAN. BUT THEY DO NOT GIVE AN ORAL TEST TO THOSE WHO
CAN READ OR WRITE AMERICAN. SO THE REST OF IT I THINK YOU KNOW I ~OT
THIS MR. BALME WHO I FELT WAS DULY QUALIFIED TO DO WHAT HEf~DONE..
MR. KILBRIDE: WAS MR. ADAMS INFORMED BY HIM THAT BLOCK DID NOT ADMINISTER
AN ORAL EXAM. MR. MAYER: NO BUT HE KNEW IT WAS A SPECIAL TEST, BECAUSE
I COULD NOT GET IT T~'~0UGH BLOCK, IT WAS SPECIAL. I MEAN ITS NEVER BEEN
DONE BEFORE AND HASN'T BEEN DONE SINCE. MR. KILBRIDE: DID HE KNOW THAT
AT THE TIME, WAS HE EXPLAINED THAT BY YOU_~M/t."MAYER:"~-I DON'T REALLY
REMEMBER IF I DID OR NOT SIR. I DON'T THINK-~J~~DON"T REMEMBER,
I MAY HAVE TOLD HIM SO BUT I REALLY CAN'T SAY BACK TO THAT TIME. I KNOW
I TOLD HIM IT WOULD TAKE TIME THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY TO PRE-
PARE IT AND THAT I WOULDN'T DO IT. "ME.' KILBRIDE: YOU HEARD HIS TEST-
IMONY A FEW MINUTES AGO, COULD HE HAVE DRAWN THE CONCLUSION AS HE STATED
THAT EVEN THOUGH THE EXAM WAS PREPARED SPECIALLY AT YOUR REQUEST THAT
IT WAS STANDARD PROCEDURE. MR.'M~YE'R: I IMAGINE HE COULD HAVE BECAUSE
WE COULD EACH READ THAT PAGE-'~ ONE OF US COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT
INTERPERTATION OF WHAT IS ON IT, SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT HE COULDN'T.
MR. KILBRIDE: I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.' MR. PALUCH: WAIT A
MINUTE DOES ANY~ODY~ELSE""HAVE"'ANY Q~E~TI'ONS?'MR.' KILBKIDE:: AS STATED
IN THE LETTER OF THE 29TH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS INVESTIGATION IS TO
CONCERNING THE, FOR YOU TO DETERMINE WHETHER A MASTER PLUMBERS LICENSE
WAS IMPROPERLY ISSUED TO BILLY ADAMS ON OCTOBER 8, 19'81, BY THE CITY
BUILDING DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY WHETHER-':IT WAS ADMINISTERED WITHOUT
ISSUING AN AUTHORIZED BLOCKAND ASSOCIATES EXAMINATION ~.'..KEQUIRED BY
SUB SECTION B, OF--SECTION 7=93 OF THE CODE. OF ORDINANCES. AS FAR AS
YOUR. AUTHORITIES ARE CONCERNED, UNDER 7-9'2.2 OF THE POWERS AND DUTIES
OF THE BOARD, THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD SH~L~i HAVE THE FOLLOWING POWERS
AND DUTIES AND ONE OF THOSE IS TO LICENSE CONTRACTORS PURSUANT TO THE
REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHAPTER. 7-.93 SETS OUT THE REQUIREMENTS AS WE KNOW
AND ONE OF THDSE REQUIREMENTS 1S THAT BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES EXAMINATION
BE ADMINISTERED AMONG THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. UNDER 7-100,.. IF AN IRREG-
ULARITY IS DETERMINED, THE BOARD HAS THE POWER UNDER ITS OWN MOTION
AS IT HAS IN THIS CASE TO INVESTIGATE THE ACTION OF ANY CONTRACTOR"
CERTIFIED UNDER THIS ARTICLE AND'HOLD HEARINGS, THE BOARD MAY TAKE
APPROPRIATE D~SClPLINARY ACTION, IF THE CONTRACTOR IS FOUND GUILTY'.'
UNDER RULESAND REGULATIONS BY THE BOARD. SET OUT ON PAGE 477 OF THE
CODE OF ORDINANCE BOOK .IS THOSE ACTS CONSTITUTING CAUSE FOR DISCIPLINARY
ACTION, I BELIEVE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE POSSIBLE
VIOLATION, # 6 IN PARTICULAR, I BELIEVE IS THE APPROPRIATE, THE FAILURE
TO COMPLY TO THIS ARTICLE, ~10 POSSIBLY, CHEATING ON THE EXAM, THIS
CHAPTER MIGHT POSSIBLY BE CONSIDERED UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.ALSO.
SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD - AUGUST 3, 1982
MR. CUMMINS: MR~'i.~ATTORNE¥ I WILL TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT, I ADMINISTERED
THAT EXAM AND THERE WAS NO CHEATING AND I STATED THAT UNDER OATH THE
OTHER DAY. DON'T TRY TO ACUSE ME OF WHATS HAPPENED HERE, THAT TEST WAS
GIVEN FAIRLY AND AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED LEGALLY AND I WILL NOT ALLOW
YOU TO SAY THERE WAS CHEATING, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT O~MY PART OR MR.
ADAMS PART IN MY OFFICE. MR. KILBRIDE: MR. CUMMINS, THIS INDICATION
WAS NOT DIRECTED TO YOU, T~ BOARDHAS NOT MADE TPLK~'DET~RMINATION
AND AS FAR AS MY CONSIDERATIONS OF POSSIBLE VIOLATIONS AS I SEE IT,
THE POSSIBLITY OF CHEATING, IF IT IS SO DETERMINED IS NOT IN THE AD-
MINISTRATION PER SAY BUT IN THE FACT THAT A STANDARD BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES
EXAM WAS REQUIRED BUT AN ORAL EXAM WAS GIVEN. AN EXAM THAT WAS NOT
AUTHORIZED. Mlt."CUMMINS.: THEN I WOULD LIKE .TO HAVE IT STATED. IN THE
MINUTES THAT-N~G ON THE TEST. 'MR. KILBRIDE: WHEN THE EVIDENCE
IS CLEAR THAT ITS THE CIRCUMSTANCE WE A~EFACED-WITH HERE, ITS NOT THE
FACT THAT THE PERSON, WE ARE NOT DEALING'WITHWHETHER:'::THEi~IPERSONWHO
M/~]E',.'UP'.;THE TEST WAS QUALIFIED OR UNQUALIFIED-OR THE WAY IT WAS AD-
MINISTED'WAS PRDREK.~OI~IMPROPER, THE QUESTION, THE BOARD ALREADY DETER-
MINED LAST WEEK WAS THE FACT THAT 1T WAS AN UNAUTHORIZED TEST. REGARDLESS
OF WHO 0RWHEN OR WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES WERE GIVEN. THE QUESTION HERE IS
HOW IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICLrLAR APPLICANT AND THIS LICENSING BOARD,
MR. CUMMINS: I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THIS IS NOT CHEATING ON THE TEST,
TTS .iMPROPERLY MADE UP OR WH~TEI~R~" BUT IT IS NOT CHEATING ON'THE TEST.
ITSELF. MR. KILBRI'DE: THATS FOR THE BOARD TO' DETERMINE, IF THEY FEEL
THATS WHAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWS. I THINK, AS I SAID JUST BEFORE THAT,
POSSIBLY MORE CLOSELY THE VIOLATION WE ARE MORE PROPERLY DEALING WITH
IS FAILURE OF THE .BUILDING OFFICIAL TO ~J3MPLY'i~TT~ PROVISIONS OF
THIS ORDINANCE. PROVISIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED IS OF TAKING A STANDARD
BLOC~AND ASSOCIATES EXAM, NOT THE EXAM ITSELF. DOES..THE..BOARD HAVE
ANY QUESTXONS. DO YOU WANT TO ASK THAT '~UESTION NOW. ~C'~F~AREY:
MR. CHAIRMAN MAY I SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS. I AM GERALD:CkREY A CONTRACTOR
IN THIS CITYAND IT DO~%iT~'SEEM LIKE, SEEMS. ~TOi..M~.THAT. LHE ARE ALL~"AMER~
ICANS, THAT THIS TEST IS GIVEN TO HAITIiaiN$,CUBANS, HOWABOUT SOMEONE
WHO IS BORN HERE MAYBE HE CAN~'T READ OR WRITE BUT THAT IS TAKING AWAY
FROM BILLY TO DO A JOB. I KNOW' HE HAS DONE ALL MY CONTRACTING AND I
GOT TO SAY THAT I HAVE HAD. NO ONE COMPLAINING, IF ALL OF THE CONTRACTORS
ARE LICENSED OR THINK.~ THEY LICENSED COME AND 'BE ARHONE.ST.~ANDTHEIR.."~
~N ~.LME AND DO THEIR WORKAS WELL AS HE HAS, YOU PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE
HAD AS MANY COMPLAINTS AS YOU HAVE THE LAST SIX MONTHS. T~ YOU.
MR. CALMES:-'~MY QUESTION WAS, BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL ADMINISTERING
~'~D ISSUING THE LICENSE, HAS HE NOT IN FACT HAUE'?WE NOT IN
FACT ACTED SIMIL~..?MR. KILBRIDE: IN EFFECT, TO ENDORSE HIS ACTION,
OR BOUND BY HIS ACTIONS/MR.''CALMES: WHAT iS THE LEGAL, IS HE AN AGENT
OF THIS BOARD? MR. KILBRiD~~HE BOARD HAS STANDARD PRACTICE TO
AUTHORIZE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO TAKE APPLICATIONS ANDAADMINISTER
THE TEST, IN AS MUCH AS ARRANGE FOR THE ~LI~iTNISTRATION OF~THE TEST.AND
TO CERTIFY TO THE BOARD THAT APPLICATIONS ARE COMPLETED AND CORRECT.
M 7-K'TE D
E: YES, MR.i."..."~M.:' SO IN EFFECT, IF THE MISTAKE WAS MADE
BY i..BUILDING DIRECT~ALSO MADE THAT SAME MISTAKE. HOW WOULD
THAT BE. A~LO~I~ YOUR COMPANY MAKES A MISTAKE OUT IN THE FIELD,
ARE YOU NOT P~P0~N~BLg' FOR YOUR ~MPLOYEES; MR. KIL~RIDE: EVEN IF YOU
TOLD HIM NEVER TO DO THIS AND HE GOES .AHEAD.AND.DOES IT ANYWAY, YOU
ARE STILL RESPONSIBLE, YES TH~TSi'.~'TRUE.'i.'~..'MR.~ ~MES: MO-i:WHEKE DOES THIS
BOARDS RESPONSIBLITY LIE. MR. KILI~IDE::THEESSEN~fIAL ISSUE HERE AND
IS FAIR QUESTION, IS HE C-OES TO MR. /~D/~MS AS FAR AS WHETHER, THE TIME
HE MADE APPLICATION AND THE TIME HE TOOK THE TEST OF WHETHER HE KNEW OR
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT TH~REQUIREMENT FOR MASTEK PLUMBER EXAM WAS,
SEBASTIAN'CONSTRUCTI'ON_.~'OARD _ - .AUGUST 3, 1982
LICENSE WAS AND WHETHER HE KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOW THAT IT W$SiTtSSUED
TO HIM WITHOUT COMPLIANCE OR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH MATERIAL
SPECiTO COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS, CERTIFICATIONS WITH~.~CgORDANCE
TO THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU FIND THAT HE KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT
THE TEST THAT WAS ADMINISTERED WAS NOT A PROPER TEST, NOT AN AUTHORIZED
TEST, THEN YOU HAVE THE POWER TO TAKE DISCIPLINARY ACTION. MR. TACA:
IS THAT WHY HE CAME TO ARTIE IN THE FIRST PLACE TO SEE WHAT-~O
DO. I HAD A SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCE UNDER A LICENSE. MR. PALUCH: 'DO YOU
WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED, PLEASE COME UP AND GIvE YOU~'-~. STEVE
TACA','.RESIDENTIAL.'CONTRA~TOR::WE HAD A SIMILIAR INSTANCE WH~
TO THE COUNTY PI2%NNING BOARD ON Al'ZONING, ON A BASIS OF THEIR RECOMMEN-
DATIONS, A HOMEOWNER BOUGHT HIS PROPERTY', THEN FOUND TO BE A VIOLATIQN
OF THE CODE, BUT THEiCOUNTY ATTORNEY, WITH-US ITS A FACT'~THAT THEY
ORIGNINALLY HAD GIVEN. HIM LICENSE TO BUYfTHE PROPERTY, IN BILLY'S CASE
ITS HIS OWN BUSINESS AND THEY FOUND THAT IT WAS STILL 'INUTHE MO~DSYAND
TEE ZONING WAS SUCH~THAT THEY MADE A SPECIAL VARIANCE BECAUSE IT CON-
FORMED TO EVERY REGULATION WE HA~i:'iAND LET THEM KEEP THEIR ORIGINALL~
PLANNING PERMIT. MY POINT IS, THERE ARE ALOT OF THINGS THAT OCURRED,
BUT BECAUSE, LIKE BILLY, HE WENT TO THE OFFICIAL WHO IS SUPPOSE TO
KNOW AND TELL HIM WHAT TO DO, THEY ACTED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND
ON THAT BASIS THEY' PROCEEDED. I MEAN, ITS JUST A QUESTION. IF I HAD
A QUESTION I WOULD COME AND ASK'WHAT WOULD I HAVE TO DO, AND WHAT
I WAS TOLD, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD .BE IT.'MR.' KILBRIDE: THATS
WHAT I SAID, THATS PART, OF THE QUESTION, THE FACT ~THAT-YOU F. OLLOWED
TO DETERMINE WHETHER HE 'KNEW' OR SHOULD KNOW-,. Mif~.'.PALUC~i'- THATS WHERE
YOU HAVE TO TELL US, THE OBLIGATION OF TH'IS, SINCE ARTIE WAS ACTING
IN OFFICAL CAPACITY AS AN APPOINTEE OF THE BOARD. WAS IT OUR ACTION
ALSO? HAD ARTIE TOLD HIM NO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE BLOCK EXAM, HE
THEN SAID HE COULDN'T TAKE THE BLOCK EXAM AND WENT~3SOMEi"PLACE ELSE.
IF WE MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION ON THIS, IS THiS SOMETHING
MADE IN THE FUTURE, CAN"THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION BE'MADE ON
A ONE TIME BASIS OR IS.-THIS TEST GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED IN THE FUTURE
OR IS THERE LEGAL. MR.' KILBRIDE: NO, AS THE ORDINANCE STATES, UNLESS
THIS BOARD AUTHORiZES'AN EQUIVALENT TEST, THE ONLY AUTHORIZED TEST FOR
MASTER PLUMBER PERMITS OR ANY OTHER CONTRACTORS PERMITS ISSUED BY THE
BOARD IS THE BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES TEST AND UNTIL YOU CHANGE IT.,'.-THAT
IS THE WAY IT IS. SO THE TEST THAT WAS ADMINISTERED, YOU DETERMINED
WAS NOT AN AUTHORIZED TEST AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT TEST,
IF YOU WANT TO.._EITHER ACCEPT THE TEST.THAT~WAS ADMINISTERED OR YOU
WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. 'ME.'HARRIS: THIS IS WHAT I AM
ASKING IF WE ACCEPT~THIS TEST, DO WE-~CEPT ALL FUTURE TESTS
TODAY. MR. KILB'RIDE':~J. TODAY, NO THAT ~S NOT THE ISSUE TODAY, LET ME
TRY TO NAP~RoW 'iT 'DOWN. I THINK, AS MR. CALMES SAID, THE ACTION OF THE
BUILDING OFFICIAL IN CERTAIN RESPECTS YOU ARE BOUND BY BECAUSE HE IS
ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. THE BOARD HAS SAID TO THE BUILDING
OFFICIAL YOU GET THE APPLICATIONS, YOU GET THE TEST AND YOU TAKE THE
MONEY AND UNDER OUR AUTHORIZATION YOU ISSUE THE PERMITS. HE iSSUES
THE PERMIT, UNLESS YOU FIND, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT THE APPLICANT
VIOLATED ONE OF THE TWELVE ACTS CONSTITUTING A CAUSE FOR DISCIPLINARY
ACTION, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO SUSPEND OR
REVOKE THE LICENSE, SO IN THAT REGARD, EVEN THOUGH THE TEST IS AUIPHOR-
IZEDANDYOU SELECTED NOT TO,AUTHORIZE IN THE FUTURE, IN THAT RESPECT
I CAN AGREE WITH MR. ADAM'S POSITION IN THE FACT THAT'ME>RELATED TO YOU
~U S~TATEDi'TO. YO~.I.~HAT HE RELIED IN GOOD FAITH, THIS WAS AN AUTHORIZED
TEST..'.YOUR DETERMINATION TODAY GOES TO THEQUESTION OF, FAILURE TO
COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BOARD AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT HE
MUST HAVE KNOWN OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.
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SEBASTIAN CONSTR.UCTION BO'~A,~' ',~
MR. KILBRIDE: .
THAT .HE WAS' "VIOLATING THOSE REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME
THE APPLICATION, NOT NOW, TODAY'. 'YOU HEARD HIS TESTIMONY AND YOU
HEARD THE TESTIMONY OF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AS TO HOW HE ASKED FOR
THIS TEST AND ITS FOR YOU TO DETERMINE IF 1 CAN StR4MARIZE SOME OF
THE EVIDENCE. WHETHER YOU FEEL THAT THE TEST ONLY INDICATES HE KNEW
THAT A BLOCK TEST WAS A 'STANDARD TEST, THAT HE ASKED. FOR AN OI~AL TEST
AND WHETHER IN GOOD FAI:TH HE TOOK THE TEST ASSUMING THAT IT WAS AN
AUTHORIZED TEST UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE CITY. HE STATED THAT HE
APPROVED A SPECIAL EXAM, A SPECIALLY PREPARED EXAMINATION AND KNE~.
WHO MADE IT OR DID HE OR SHOULD HE I{~VE'. KNOWN THAT IT WASN"T A TEST
THAT ANYONE ELSE: WHO WOULD WALK IN TODAY AND SAY GIVE ME AN ORAL
TEST TO 'TAKE. IF YOU FIND THAT HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN:::THAT WAS NOT AN
AUTHORIZED TEST, HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN AN .WRITTEN.. ~EST:,::I THINK YOU
NEED TO TAKE DISCIPLINARY ACTION.' MR.' CALMES':' THE ANALOGY' THAT WAS
GIVEN EARLIER OF THE POLICEMAN. 'SAYI~OU COULD SPEED UP AND
DOWN THE ROAD, I DON'T THINK REALLY APPLIES HERE, I THINK ONE, MOST
GENERALLY AND MOST EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE NORMAL LAWS OF THE ROi%D
ARE, HOWEVER WHEN IT COMES TO TESTING OR PROCEDURES, GOVERNMENT PRO-
CEDURES THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW, THERE ARE SITUATIONS THAT 1 AS AN
ARCHITECT AM 1N THAT HAVE TO RELY UPON THE GOOD FAITH AND THE PROPER
INSTRUCTION FROM SOME OFFICIAL, WHETHER IT BE THE DEPARTMENT OF EN-
VIRONMENTAL REGULATION OR UP IN TALLAHASSEE, WHAT EVER OR THE BUILDING
DEPARTMENT, THATS WHAT I AM SAYING, HOW I AM LEANING TOWARDS IT. IF
BILLY ADAMS IS TOLD, YES, OK AN ORAL EXAM CAN BE GIVEN, IT IS GOING
TO TAKE TIME, TO QUOTE ARTIE MAYER, IT WILL HAVE TO BE WRITTEN. 1 JUST
WONDER THAT HE WOULD THINK IT WAS ANYTHING ELSE OTHER TI{AN~. THAT WAY,
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, IN LOOKING THROUGH THE PROVISIONS ']~DII'?REVOCi~TION
OF. PRO-INNOCENCES, THE ONLY' AREA THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, WOULD BE
FAILURE TO ANY MATERIAL RESPECT TO COMPLY WiTH PROVISIONS OF THIS
ARTICLE AND YET LIKE I SAID BEFORE, ,HE WAS RELYING IN:.-GOOD.-FAITH UPON
I'NSTRUCTION PROCEDURE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARMTE'NT:":'.~," P'ALUCH: BY
TESTIMONY THERE WAS NO MATERIAL RESPECT THERE. THE WAY I-HEAR THE
TESTIMONY THERE WAS NO FAILURE IN ANY MATERIAL RESPECT'.TO COMPLY WITH
THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE ON BILLYS PART, MR. CALME.$: .IN ALL
THE TESTIMONY, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING BILLY ADAMS HIhSELF' HAD DONE OR
COMMITTED IN REGARDS TO THIS ORDINANCE. MR. KILBRIDE: ONE THING THAT
I DO NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT IGNORANC~ OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE,
TO THAT EXTEND HE IS REQUIRED TO KNOW THE CONTENTS OF THIS.:SECTION
OF THE ORDINANCE SINCE THAT IS THE CIRCUMSTANCE IN WHICH HE WAS APPLY-
ING. THE FACT THAT HE WENT TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND ASKED WHAT HE
NEEDED TO DO, ASSUMING, THAT IS NOT THE END OF HIS OBLIGATION, IT DOES
NOT END THERE. HE DOES HAVE CERTAIN OBLIGATION TO GO FURTHER. I THINK
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU FEEL THAT HE HAS GONE FAR ENOUGH"~IT THEN
GOES TO THE QUESTION OF, DID HE KNOW? OR SHOULD HE KNOW? WHETHER HE
COMPLIED OR NOT. MR. 'CALME'S: MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF BILLY ADA/~IS, DID
YOU ASK OR WERE Y~-'0~A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE. DID YOU ASK ARTIE
TO PROVIDE YOU A COPY:OF THE LICENSING ORDINANCE, WAS IT OFFERED TO
YOU BY ARTIE TO GIVE YOU A COPY OF THIS OR TO SAY.THAT IT WAS AVAIL-
ABLE. MR. ADAMS: NO, NOT THAT I CAN REMEMBE'R.' MR',' LANGIX;I'S: BY HIS
OWN TE~/~ SAID HE COULD NOT READ OR WRITE OR COULD' DO. VERY LITTLE
OF IT, SO IT WOULDN'T DO HIM ANY GOOD AT ALL TRYING TO READ IT, WE HAVE
A HARD TIME DECIPHERING IT. MR / "~S:ON THE APPLICATION, IT WAS FILLED
OUT BY EVERY PERSON THAT FIL~0-~APPLICATION WHO IS.-TAKING AN EXAM'
ANATION OR RECIPROCITY OR ANYTHING, IT STATES RIGHT HERE, .
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SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD
- AUGUST 3, 1982
MR. CALMES: UNDER THE PROVISION OF 0-78-4, THE FINDING OF REGULATIONS
AND GOVERNING OF CONTRACTORS WITHIN THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN, THAT IS
THE ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED THAT WERE MADE BY THE BOARD.
MRL~PALUCH: WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? MR, CAL~_..$.: I.~AM SAYING THAT IT STATES
ON ~-~ APPLICATION THAT YOU MUST APP]~Y'~-OR COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE AND
iT STATES WHAT ORDINANCE IT IS.0-78-4. MR..PALUCH: I THINK WHAT WE GOT
HERE GENTLEMEN, IS WHETHER THIS BOARD WANTS TO SUSPEND, REVOK~ OR LET
HIS LICENSE RIDE, I THINK WE HAVE COVERED ALL THE GROUND AND SOMEBODY
SHOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ONE AFFECT OR THE OTHER. MR. ~S.: GENTLEMEN
I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE LICENSE OF JOHN QUkNC~ ADAMS BE ALLOWED~,.
AS IS.. I~ONiLANGLOIS, I WILL. SECOND THAT. MR. PAL'UCH:'..DOES EVEYONE UNDER?_
STAND THE MOTION. MR. KILBRIDE: WOULD YOU ~ ON. THE RECORD, EX-
PLAIN. MR. CALMES: MY REASONING FOR THAT AND I WILL DRAW AN ANALOGY TO
IF AN EMPLOYEE OF MINE MAKES A MISTAKE, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, WHETHER
HE LEGALLY OR MONETARILY AND YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT EMPLOYEE IN TERMS
OF THE MISTAKE, SO THE MISTAKE DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. WiTH THE TESTIMONY
THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, I FOUND VERY-. LITTLE OR NOTHING AT ALL THAT JOHN
QUINCY ADAMS HAS COMMITTED ANY DISCRETION OR VIOLATION OF OUR ORDINANCE
AND THAT HE RELIED ON GOOD FAITH AND I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT HE RELIED
IN GOOD EAITH ON THE ADVICE OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMKNT.~. PALUCH:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. MR. TRIPP: YES, I HAVE A QUESTI~N~-~ON WHAT
JOHN HAS MADE THE STATEMENT-~LY HAS NOT HAD ANY WRONG DOING IN
THE ISSUING OR TAKING THE EXAMINATION OR THE ISSUING OF ~ LICENSE, I
NEED TO ASK THE ATTORNEY, IS IT A VALID LICENSE, EVEN Tt{OUGH..B1LLY HAS
NOT COMMITTED ANY CRIME AS PER SAY, IS IT A VALID LICEN~. MI{. KILBKIDE.:
IN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, I BELIEVE THAT IN FACT THAT, AT-~IE MOMENT
THAT IT IS A VALID LICENSE, IT WAS ISSUED, AN APPLICATION WAS FILED AND
A. LICENSE .WAS. ISSUED UNDER THE~J~k~fHORITY OF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND
THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TO CONSIDER SUSPENSION OR REV~C$_TI~N',. IT IS NOT,
IT WASN'T VOID, FROM THE BEGINNING, ITS 'NOT ILLEGAL ON ITS FACE .'
PALUCH: ARE YOU SATISFIED WiTH THAT. MR. TRIPP: I ,AM SATISFIED WITH
HIS ANSWER. MR. PALUCH: OK. MAYOR FLOb'~ HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR
THE BOARD. IF WE RATIFY OR DENY THIS LICENSE, WHERE ARE WE, WHERE ARE
THE LETTERS'. THAT WERE SENT OUT. ARE WE SAYING YES THAT THIS 'IS AN H
BLOCK._ I JUST HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE ARE GOING.
THERE ARE SOME LETTERS THAT HAVE GONE OUT SAYING THAT HE HAS PASSED A
H & H BLOCK, YAH A MATTER OF THE RECORD HERE AND I AM SITTING HERE AS
HEAD ADMINISTRATOR AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, WHAT I AM GOING TO DO AS
THE HEAD ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS CITY. I AM NOT AGAINST HIS LICENSE BEING
ISSUED BUT IS THiS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED AN H & H BLOCK OR A SPECIAL
EXCEPTION UNDER YOU SAYING YES..IS IT GOING TO BE A FULL MASTERS LICENSE,
A RESIDENTIAL LICENSE.OR GENERAL PLUMBER. WHAT ARE WE ~OING TO DO ABOUT
HIS COUNTY LICENSE AND HIS PALM BAY LICENSE, THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT
I GOT WITH MY PART IN THIS WHOLE ISSUE. ITS GOING TO BE MY FINAL DECISION.
MR. PALUCH: WHERE YOU PRESENT AT THE OTHER-MEETING. MAYOR FLOOD: YES
~ THE FINDINGS RIGHT HERE, BUT THIS MEETING IS" 'Di'~F~RENT.
PALUCH: THE TESTIMONY AT THE OTHER MEETING WAS IN REFEI~ENCE TO WHAT
~ WAS GIVEN REGARDING MASTER PLUMBERS, IN WHICH TI{IS CITY REQUIRES,
AND THE LICENSING AND ISSUING OF PERMITS. AS FAR AS THE CORRESPONDENCE
THAT WAS SENT OUT, IT WAS AN ERROR. MAYOR FL'OOD..~ THEP, E iS A MOTION ON
THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT THE LICENSE, I AM NOT QUESTIONING THAT QUESTION. IF
IT PASSES, WHAT LICENSE ARE WE GIVING HIM, THE H .& H BLOCK? THATS THE
QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW WHERE. WE ARE. MIt. KILBRTDE: IF I MAY ANSWER FOR
THE BOARD, IT CERTAINLY IS A DIFFICULT QUEST'IoN' AND ANSRr~'R, THE BOARD
HAS DETERMINED THAT THE LICENSE WAS ISSUED IMPROPERLY AND THAT THE CERt.
TIFICATION WAS ALSO. --
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SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION B'0ARD - AUGUST 3, 1982
MR. KILBRIDE: WHAT THE MOTION STATES IS THAT THE .APPLICANT, ONLY THE
APPLICANT FOR THIS EXAM FOR THIS TIME HAS NOT VIOLATED SECTION 7-100
REQUIRING THE BOARD, WITH SUFFICIENT, HE HAS NOT TAKEN ACTION TO CON-
STITUTE A CAUSE FOR THIS DISCIPLINARY ACTION, THATS ALL ITS SAYING,
ITS NOT AUTHORIZING THAT TEST IN THE FUTURE OR ANY OTHER PURPOSE NOW.
SO FAR AS THE CITY LICENSE IS CONCERNED, IF THE MOTION PASSES, HIS
LICENSES STANDS. THE SEPARATE QUESTION, CONCERNS THE ACTION VERIFYING
TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS BLOCK & ASSOCIATES WAS ADMINISTERED, THAT IS THE
BASIS F~R. iRECIPROCITY IS THAT A BLOCK EXAM IS ISSUED AND THAT THOSE
OTHER DEPARTMENTS COULD NOT RECOGNIZE THIS TEST THAT WAS ADMINISTERED
PROBABLY REGARDLESS, OF GOOD FAITH OR MISTAKENLY. MAYOR FLOOD: THE
QUESTION ON THE FLOOR IS WHETHER YOU ARE GOING TO ACCEPTHISLICENSE
IS NOT. MR. PALUCH: WHAT WE WOULD BE ACCEPTING IS AN ORAL EXAM PREPARED
AND ADMINISTERED' 'BY'L THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN AND IT SHOULD SO STATE ON THE
RECORD. MAYOR FLOOD: IT ALSO IS GOING TO PREPARE HEAVILY ON WHAT MY
ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION IS GOING TO BE. MR.' KILBRI'DE: IT DOES NOT VALIDATE
THAT TEST, IT' S. iONLY DEALING WITH MR. ADAMS AND ONLY HIS LICENSE ISSUED
BY THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN. MR. PALMER: IT MEANS IF HE STAYS IN THE CITY
ALL THESE LETTERS THAT WEI~TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, WHICH IS
GOING TO BE A PROBEEM",LATER ON WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US, MAYBE WE OUGHT
TO CONSIDER A LOCAL LICENSE ONLY. MR. PALUCH: THE WAY I SEE IT1 IS, THE
RECORDS SHOW, LIKE BILLY SAID, ALL HE ASKED WAS FOR HIS RECORDS TO GO
OUT, AND PROBABLY WITHOUT CHECKING THE RECORDS, THE,,. LETTER.,WAS MECH'. ~'~i'~ .....
ANICALLY WRITTEN, I MEAN WE SEND THEM OUT ALL THE TIME.; MI{,. KILBRi'DE
AS FAR AS_~THE OTHER ACTION IS CONCERNED, IF IT IS WARR~'D iT IS SEP-
ARATE FROM THIS MOTION, iTS NOT AN .AUT(~MATI'C. 'MR.' Ti~I]~P: BASICALLY,
WHAT THE MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD IS RIGHT NOW, ~ TAKE ORDIN-
ANCE 7-93 OF PART THREE, WHERE IT REQUIRES A WRITTEN EXAMINATION AND
THAT THE EXAMINAT~ON~ MUST BE BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES PROCTOR TESTED AND
OR EQUIVALENT TEST ASDMAY BE DETERMINED BY THE BOARD, %~{AT THE MOTION
IS BEFORE THE BOARD IS BASCIALLY IS THAT WE GIVE AN ORAL EXAMINATION.
MR. CALMES: THE MOTION IS STATING THAT WE RECOGNIZE THaT TH~ TEST
THAT WAS TAKEN, HIS QUALIFICATIONS AND ALSO RECOGNIZE THE MISTAKE WAS
MADE. MK~i ~GL~'.I'S: MOTI~N B'EFOREA. TIIEi-BflAHD RIGHT NOW.ONLY PERTAINS TO
THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW', IT HAS. NOTHING TO DO WITH
FUTURE, SITUATIONS OF THiS TYPE, AM I CORRECT DAN., 'M lt.,' KiLBI~tDE.: YES.
MR. PALUCH: ,,GI,,VE ME A ROLL CALL VOTE: M~. LAI~GL'0IS "'YE~"'.,.'.,M~,.' I'KIPP "'NO",
, , , t! ti'. - , ,- , ~ ~ ! · ' ti' ' .~t
~ NO , MR.' PALMER'NO , l~I~,· CLAMES... 'YE-S" CI~I~ · YES'
~ CARRIED, TIE, THREE, ~RE~.' VOTE. MR. CALMES: 0~ ~u~ ~u~,
PARAGRAPH "E", Mlf. PALUCH: THE MAJORITY VOTE-~FI"LL-F~qUIRED TO ACT
AND IF A TIE VOTE OCCURS, ANY PARTIC~R ACTION SHALL BE AUTOMATICALLY
BE REQUIRED A SECOND HEARING WITH ALL SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD PRESENT,
MR. KIRRIE SHOULD BE BACK SEPTEMBER 1 ,~ 1R8'2, MR.' KILBRTDE: ~ WOULD STATE
TCt'SEE._.WHERE THAT REQUIRES, HOWEVER, IF THE B0kRD WiSHES' THEY COULD EN-
TERTAIN A SECOND MOTION, THAT COULD BE PHRASED DIFFERENTLY TO .SEE 1F
THE MAJORITY WOULD CARRY IT OUT .AND SOLVE THE 'PROBLEM HERE.' ~
WHERE SHOULD THAT MOTION COME FROM? DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATEV~01~,'-DO-
YOU JIM? MR. C~S: I DON'T KNOW'HOW TO APPROACH IT,' Mlt,' PALUCH: IF
WE DON'T ~ MOTION TO ENTERTAIN, WE WILL WAIT"~VE
A FULL BOARD. MR. 'CALMES: WOULD IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE..TO' THE
WHO VOTED NAY TO MAKE SOME STATEI~ENT 'AS TO THE. VALIDITY?OF THE LICENSE)
I DON'T KNOW, I AM JMST THROWING OUT FOR EXAMPLE BASICALLY ALL WE ARE
SAYING IS THAT IT w~'ULD BE LIMITED T6 LICENSING I~ THE CITYii;~F';SEBAST1AN~
MR. PALUCH3 I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE MOTION WAS 'TO ACCEPT
HIS LICENSE BASED ON THE L~T~ER ERROR AT THIS TIME, OR DESIGNATED'PER-
SONAL ADMIT.
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MR. PALUCH: YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT, LIKE WE SAID AND SECOND OF
kLL THE RECORDS SHOULD REFLECT, EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T STATE IT,
THE STATEMENT KEEPS COMING OUT THAT LETTERS ARE GOING OUT STATING
.THAT AN H & H BLOCK EXAM HAD BEEN TAKEN AND-SUCCESSFULLY PASSED.
WELL THE RECORDS ARE IN ERROR. THE RECORDS ARE ACCURATE BUT THE
LETTERS ~WERE~IN ~EtC~DR. I GUESS IF I WROTE A WRONG LETTER AND IT GOT
OUT, CORRECT IT. MR. KILBRIDE: I THINK WHAT MR. CALMES IS ASKING IF
THE MOTION IS PHRASED DIFFERENTLY, THEN WOULD YOU RECONSIDER YOUR
~OTE'.'.~'~, IF lIT DEALT WITH THAT OR EXCLUDED THAT.. PK~VIS~[ON~i~MR~._~PALUCH:
~(E~, STATED, I JUST WANTED THAT OUR RECORDS WERE-'~A~~-~T~,-'-~'~Ij-~
THE LETTERSYTHAT WENT OUT WERE IN ERROR. THE FILE THAT WE HAVE CLEARLY
STATES EVEN HAS THE EXAM IN THERE, WHICH IS THE ONLY FILE"WE HAVE THAT
HAS A COPY OF AN EXAM IN IT, RIGHT ARTIE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER FILE
THAT HAS A COPY OF AN EXAM IN IT. S~I?.I.F SOMEBOI~Y REQUESTS. 'THAT THEIR
RECORDS BE SENT TO ANOTHER CITY THEY SHOULD BE SENT .AS COMPLETE AS THEY
ARE IN OUR FILES, HE STATES THAT IS WHAT HE REQUESTED TO HAI?PEN.~AND
ERR~R~.3r~ETTERS.i WERIt. SENT,. iOUT.~ WITH THE WRONG INFORMATION, SO CORRECT THE
INFORMATION MR, CALMES: WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT IS, IF THEREBEIS
A PROBLEM I~ THE FORMAT OF THE MOTION, I-KNOW A MORE MOTi.0N CO.ULD
DRASTIC. MR. PALUCH: I SORT OF FEEL SOME OF THE BOARD TH~NKS JUST BE-
CAUSE APPt~ICENSE, THAT MEANS WE WILL HAVE TO-.GO OUT. AND GIVE
ORAL EXAMS. THATS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WE ARE APPROVING A MISTAKE THAT
WAS MADE NOT A TEST, WE ALREADY DISALLOWED. LIKE WAS STATED DUE TO THE
INTENT, ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, THIS IS NOT GOING TO SET A PRE¢E'DENCE. MR.
PAAMER: THESE LETTER WERE SENT OUT, WHATS GOING TO HAl;PIN WHEN TH~
c--O'-~CK TO US .AND THEY SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO HONOR THIS GUY. MR.
LANGLOIS: IF INDIAN RIVER COUNI~f DECIDES THAT THEY CAI~I~OT ACCEPT ~T
METHOD 2~ND WILL NOT HONOR HIS LICENSE IN THE C~, THEN THATS GOING
TO BE THE BREAKS FOR MR. ADAMS. IF BREVARD COUNTY SAYS THEY ~LL NOT
RECOGNIZE THAT ORAL EXA14INATION, SORRY YOUR LICENSE CANNOT BE VALID
IN BREVARD COUNTY. MR.' PALUCH: YOU HAVE COPIES OF TEE ;.LETTER THAT
WENT OUT, BASICALLY THEY A~ 'A FORM LETTER THAT GOES OUT'TO EVERYBODY,
MR. PALMER : THA~S WHAT THEY BASE IT'ON, THEY BASE IT 'ON RIGHT HERE.
MR. LMES: IF THAT MOTION HAD BEEN PASSED, IT WOULD I{AVE SAID THAT HE
CO~ BEEN A LICENSE PLUMBING CONTRACTOR IN THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN
AND FROM THAT POINT ON, ITS UP TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO-DECIDE,
ONCE THEY ARE GIVEN THE CORRECT INFORMATION..' MR.' FR~...K OB'E~RBEUK:
I HAVE NO BUSINESS ASSOCIATION WHATS SO EVER WITH MR.'ADAMS..' l'
AN IMPORTANT QUESTION RIGHT NOW TO ASK MR. ADAMS, IT WOULD BE, DID HE
RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THE LETTER WAS SENT OUT IN ERROR THAT IT DID
STATE H & H BLOCK AND THAT IF IN FACT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DID
NOT RECOGNIZE IT AND HE WAS ISSUED A CiTY LICENSE, WOULD HE THEN BE
IN ACCEPTANCE OF THAT. I MEAN WE ARE ADMITTING TO THE ERROR, THAT IT
IS STATED H & H BLOCK. APPARENTLY THE BOARD IS BECAUSE' YOU RE~.EREDi TO
IT. WOULD HE BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE FACT THAT IT .WAS AN ERROR WHEN
IT WAS SENT OUT. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE, THEN IT WOULD BE-J~P'£T0
MR. ADAMS WITH ANY OTHER DISTRICT OR ANY OTHER AREA. DO YOU KNOW WHAT
I AM .SAYING. IF YOU WERE TO JUST ISSUE HIM A SEBASTIAN CITY LICENSE
HE COULD FALL BACK AND SAY YOU MAILED OUT THE LETTER ~AYING THAT I
GOT A 75% OR WHATEVER ON H & H BLOCK, I THINK YOU ARE':-.CRF~ATING Ai"FURTHE~
ISSUE IF HE IS ISSUED A CITY OF SEBASTIAN .LICENSE AND THE LETTER HAS
ALREADY GONE TO THE OTHER COUNTIES ' MR. PALUCH:HE ALlY AIIMITTED TEAT
HE DID NOT TAKE H & H BLOCK. ' MR.' OB~ DID NOT KNOW THE LETTER~
SAID H & H BLOCK, HE DID NOT REAliZE THAT THE.i.-LE~ER THAT WAS SENT OUT .
TO ~{E OTHER COUNTIES SAID H & H BLOCK. "MR.~ P~UCH: AS HE STATED,
ME I~ I AM WRONG BILLY. HE REQUESTED THAT HI'S~ ~EC0RDS BE SENT TO THESE ''..;-
MUNICIPALITIES.
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MR. PALUCH: ISN'T THIS WHAT YOU STATED. MR. ADAMS: YES. FRANKiii~OBERBECK:
OK, WOULD HE RECOGNIZE THE FACT NOW THAT-~RE SENT IN'ERROR.
MR. PALUCH: HE RECOGNIZES THE FACT NOW, YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVEN'T TAKI~N
A BLOCK EXAM CORRECT. MR. ADAMS THATS RIGHT. MR. PALUCH: DO YOU RECOGNIZE
THAT. MR. ADAMS: YES. ~f~: DID YOU EVE~-~TTERS GO OUT, DID
YOU. MR. ADAMS: NO. MR.' PALUCH:I HEARD OF PEOPLES PETS RECEIVING DRAFT
NOTICE~OBERB~Y POINT THAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS
WHAT KIND POSITION IS THIS PUTTING THE BOARD IN IF YOU RECOGNIZE IT AS
AN H & H BLOCK. MR. KILBRIDE: IT IS NOT BEING RECOGNIZED AS AN H
BLOCK. FRANK OBERBE'CK: OK, BUT THE LETTER THAT WENT OUT TO THE ADJOIN-
ING ADMINISTRATIONS STATES THAT IT WAS AN H & H BLOCK. MR~ KILBRIDE:
THE BOARD DETERMINED AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING ON THLII~SDAY,'DETERMINED
THAT THE LETTERS WERE SENT IN ERROR. SO THEY KNOW THAT, AND APPARENTLY
SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO CORRECT THAT. THEONLY ISSUE NOW,
BUT THE FIRST ISSUE IS THE STATUS OF MR. ADAM'S LICENSE WITH THE CITY
OF SEBASTIAN AND NOTHING ELSE. WE ALREADY SAID THAT THE ORAL TEST
WILL NOT BE ACCEPTABLE, IT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE AT THE TIME. THE MOTION
THAT WAS PRESENTED ONLY STATES, ONLY STATES, IT DOES NOT VALIDATE THE
TEST, IT ONLY STATES THAT THERE WAS NO FINDING THAT Mt~, ADAMS FAILED
IN ANY MATERIAL RESPECT TO COMPLY WITH THE PROVISION OF THE ARTICLE. THAT
HE DID EVERYTHING HE THOUGHT HE SHOULD HAVE, THAT HE KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN THAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRED. MR'.~ OBERBE'CK: THEN IT ~ALLS TO THE
FACT THAT IT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR. THEN ITS IN.TERNAL.'M~iXIL~RIDE:
YES. MI{. OBERBECK: THEN I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THREE PEOPLE CAN SIT'DOWN
· AND SAY'THEY ARE REFUSING MR. ADAM'S~..'iA.' LICENSE. IF THE PROBLEM WAS
CREATED INTERNALLY, THEN ITS UP TO THE BOARD TO RECTIFY. THE INTERNAL
PROBLEM. THIS IS THEN A LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN PART OF THE BOARD
AND THE PERSON WHO MADE~THE.~.TTHA~S.'_~.WHAT YOU HAVE TO'LOOK AT.
THE BOARD DEALT'I,~ITH THAT OR ANY ATTORNEY WHEN THIS. MAN.IS.SI~TINGHERE
WONDERING WHETHER HE ISYA LICENSED CONTRACTOR OR NOT..~I~. KILBRIDE: WE
WENT OVER THAT LAST THURSDAY~ WE ARE NOW DEALING WITH.'.~.~.'ADAMS, AND HOW
THIS AFFECT HiM. 'MR.' PALUCH..1..THiNKTH1S'ISSUE IS 'GET~N~ VERY cLouDY.,
CAN YOUREREAD THE-~ACK, JUST JOHN.CALMESiORI'Gi.NA~.,~TION.' BOARD
SECRETARY: TO LET THE LICENSE ISSUED TO JOHN'~UINCY AD~'..~'.,'.BEi'ALL~'
TO STAND AS IS. MR. PALUCH: WE ARE NOT STATING THAT"'iTS AH & H BLOCK
TEST, ITS AS IS. '"'WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUTLETTE'RS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
HIS LETTERS. COME FORWARD ARTIE. MR.:MAYER: MR, CHAI~,,I THINK
WOULD HOPE TO QUALIFY SOMETHING MAY~-~-I~ BY THE OPINION OF THE
BOARD, IT BEING SPLIT IN HALF, AND MAYBE ITS ~E~AUS'E OF' NOT UNDERSTANDING
WHEN THE MOTION WAS TO LET THE LICENSE STAND. I THINK AND I AM SURE,
I HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED TO-I~. ADAMS OR HIS ATTORNEY, BUT~AM SURE THAT
HE WILL AGREE IF THE BOARD OR THE OTHER MEMBERS THAT VOTED NAY WOULD
FEEL, TO GIVE HIM A LIMITED LICENSE FOR THE CITY OF ~STIAN, THE
LETTERS THAT WERE SENT OUT WERE AN ERROR, I ADMIT THAT, T CAN SEND OTHER
LETTERS TO TAKE CARE OF THEM LETTERS, THAT WOULD BE THE END, 1 COULD
SEND LETTERS TO THE SAME PEOPLE THAT THESE WERE SENT.TO AND THAT WOULD
CLARIFY THE LETTER PART OF IT. MR'.-~.S: -WE ARE ONLY AUTHORIZED TO
DEAL WITH THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN.ON LICENSING, THERE IS NO LIMITfNEED TO
BE PUT ON IT. THATS ALL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS HIS CITY LICENSE, NOW'
ONCE INDIAN RIVER COUNTY RECEIVES CORRECT 1NFORMATIONAND WANT TO RE-
VOKE HIS LICENSE, THAT IS THERE DECISION. IF BREVARD COUNTY WANTS TO
REVOKE HIS LICENSE THAT IS THEIR DECISION, MOOREHAVE~, FLORIDA, THATS
THEIR DECISION. MR. PALUCH.: THE WAY I SEE 1T THEY HAVE TO DO THE SAME
THING WE DID, THE~f--~E THAT THIS WAS DONE BY ALL GOOD iNTENTIONS,.
]~.: YES, THEY MAY HAVE TO, BUT~I/}IATS THE PROCES'S THAT EACH ONE
OF-THEM IS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE.
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SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD - AUGUST 3, 1982
MR. ADAMS: ITS JUST THAT THOSE LETTERS HAVE NEVER BEEN, NO LICENSE
~EEN ISSUED ON THOSE LETTERS 3UST ONE, THAT IS INDIAN RIVER
COUNTY, MOOREHAVEN WAS JUST TO SEE IF THEY WOULD ACCEPT THAT. TWO OF
THOSE LETTERS, ONE IF EROM MOOREHAVEN, AND ONE FROM PALM BAY, THERE
HAS NEVER BEEN NO LICENSE iSSUED ON THOSE LETTERS. THE ONLY ONES ISSUED
IS FROM INDIAN RIVER COUNTY. MR. PALUCH:LET ME ASK OUR ATTORNEY SOME-
THING, IS THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN, NOW THAT THESE
FINDINGS HAVE COME ABOUT,RESPONSIBLE TOi.%CORRECT THAT INFORMATION THAT
WAS SENT OUT IN ERROR? MR. KILBRIDE: YES. I WOULD THINK YOU HAVE A CER-
TAIN AMOUNT OF OBLIGATION. 'MAYORFLOOD: I JUST ASKED A QUESTION A
WHILE AGO, HE MADE A STATEMENT THAT HE HAD A PALM BAY LICENSE, I THOUGHT
I UNDERSTOOD HIM SAYING, NOW HE IS SAYING THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE ONE, I'M
SORRY. MR'. ADAMS: OF COURSE, I MEAN I KNOW THERE UP THERE IF I WANTED
ONE, I HA~EEN UP THERE. MR'. PALUCH: WHAT I ASKED OUR ATTORNEY
IS SINCE AN ERROR HAS BEEN DISCOVERED,' IM' IT NOT OUR AUTOMATIC OBLIGATION
TO RESCINDOR CORRECT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT OUR, REGARDLESS OF
WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THIS HEARING AND LET THOSE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO
ACT AS THEY SEE FIT. WE ARE NOT VOTING TO COVER ANYTHING UP OR MAKE
A FALSE STATEMENT, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT'. MK.'CALMES: YU~..~NA%~E?~RTIE
AS YOUR ADMINISTRATOR HE IS THE CAP STONE OF THE PYRAmiD AND WHATEVER
HE DID ON TOP, AS FAR AS YOUR 'NO VOTE, I THINK ITS UNFOUNDLY, OF ALL
THE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY GENTLEMEN.,-.MR..'HARKIS: HE-.HAS
THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE CiTY COUNCIL. MEf'F~.'~E HE
DOES, THATS EXPENSIVE, THATS NOT YOUR .POCKETBOOK, ITS HIS.' MR. HARRIS:
IS IT EXPENSIVE MAYOR FLOOD, .'.MAYOE FLUOD THE ONLY EXPENSE 1~
BRINGS HIS ATTORNEy. MR.' KILBRID-~. MOTION WAS RESTATED ~i.
CLARIFY ANY POINTS WOULD THERE'."MR.?]~RI~IS: ~WOULD L~O:-.~t~O':~..-.ONE 0~':-~
TI40 TH.I~NG,: WAIT~%UNT'IL THE"OTHERi~MES BACK, OR TAKE IT"-'TO THE
CITY COUNCIL, THE WAY I SEE IT. THERE IS A PROVISION 'IN THERE WAIT
UNTIL THE OTHER_MEMBER COMES BACK, THAT lS WHAT IT STATES. IF WE
DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THE THING THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN, THEN. MR. 'CALME'S::
I WOULD THINK THEN THAT WE WAIT FO'R.~ME:"~HERMEMBER TO COME B~CK., I
AM SURE EVERYONES DECISION WAS MADE ON'THEIR OWN RIGHT, SO LETS WAIT
UNTIL OUR OTHER MEMBER COMES BACK. MR. K1LBRIDE: MY STATEMENT'TO THE
BOARD WAS, THAT THE LICENSE IS VALID, UNTIL THE BOARD MEETSAND DOES
OTHERWISE. BUT IF YOU DO WANT To.DIRECT AS FAR AS-~THE OTHER ISSUE 1S
CONCERNED, CONCERNING THE LICENSES FOR RECIPROCITY, THAT:iS'A. SEPARATE
ACTION THAT YOU MAY WISH TO DIRECT TODAY', THE BUILDING'OFFiCIAL TO TAKE
ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION. MR. CALME'S: IN._.THE_[,~MINUTES¥O.F THE~T~.ST MEETING,
I BELIEVE THAT THE ~.~TTER WAS SUBMITTED TO THE MAYOR FOE ADMINISTRAT.1VE
ACTION. MR. MAYOR: YES, I WAS WAITING, 1 THINK WOULD COME UNDER ME,
I WAS WAITi~E OUTCOME OF THIS MEETING BUT PART OF MYADMINISTRATIV~
ACTION WOULD BE TO HAVE ART1E SEND'OUT A LETTER TO S~Y THaT THERE WAS A
MISTAKE MADE, EXPLAINING WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT KIND OF TE'STWAS GIVE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD FOR JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTE'S 5
WHEN I HEARD... THE STATEMENT A WHILE AGO THAT H & H BLOCK, I AM A HAiTiAN
OR A GREEK OR I'M A TURKEY, THIS BOARD HAS TO GIVE HIM AN ORaL EXAM.
OK, THAIS WHAT I WAS TOLD, TEAT H & H 'BLOCK SA~S¥~ HAVE TO.~ I'M JUST
LIKE THE GENTLEMEN BACK HERE, IF WE GET AN AMERICAN CITZZEN W/{O CAN'T
READ OR WRITE AND THIS BOARD IS NOT GOING TO GIVE HIM AN EXAM, I THINK
ITS TIME FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN TO STAND UP. ~F
I HAVE TO ACCEPT A CUBAN OR A HAITIANOR SOMEBODY ELSE.TO COME UP HERE
AND TAKE AN ORAL EXAM THAT I CANNOT MAKE AVAILABLE TO A CITIZEN OF THIS
COUNTY, THIS CITY, I~.THINK ITS TIME TO CHANGE OUR RULES AND REGULATZ0N,
I WILL NOT TOLERATE, BECAUSE YOU ARE A FOREIGNER, AND YOU'PEOPLE HAVE
GIVE~'-~.~_'E~THE EXAM.
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SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD . AUGUS%.3, 1982
MAYOR FLOOD: WHEN YOU HAVE A MAN LIKE BILLY, WHICH EVERYONE SAID THAT
HIS CAPABILITIES ARE THERE AND I THINK IF ANYONE ELSE HAS CAPABILITIES
~DSTHI~SAYS THAT WE WILL NOT GIVEr'.ANOTHER ORAL EXAM, THEN I THINK
I WILL TAKE IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, IF I HAVE TO ACCEPT AN FOREIGNER
TO TAKE AN ORAL EXAM. I THINK OUR LOCAL PEOPLE AND AMERICANS SHOULD
THE SAME RIGHT. MR. PALUCH: WAIT A MINUTE, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT
WITH BLOCK AND ITSTATES IN THEiR MANUAL, THIS INFORMATION.THAT
YOU JUST CAME UP WITH, WHERE DID IT COME FROM. MAYOR FLOOD': ARTIE
JUST MADE THE STATEMENT, HE SAID BLOCK TOLD HIMTHAT.'M~.' PkLUCH:
HUSTON HAS CALLED THEM, THIS IS NEWS 'TO THE BOARD, NEV~Y
THING ABOUT IT, MAYOR.FL. pOD: THIS STATEMENT WAS MADE AT THIS MEETING,
AND WITH THE INFORMATIONi-~OT TONIGHT, THIS AFTERNOON, I~AM JUST SAYING,
I AM NOT BEING CRITICAL OF THE BOARD, IM JUST SAYING ON THE INFORMATION,
THAT THIS BOARD HAS TO ACCEPT SOME FOREIGNERS AND THINK THEY SHOULD
ACCEPT AN AMERICAN. MR. TRIPP: I AGREE, BUT THIS WAS NOT THE INFORMATION
GIVEN TO US BY BLOCK.--~OOD: THIS IS WHAT I WILL DIG INTO, I WILL
CALL H & H BLOCK & ASSOCIATES AND .FIND OUT WHAT IS GOINGON. ARTIE~
MADE THE STATEMENT A WHILE AGO THAT BLOCK GIVES AN OI{AL EXAM T0~S~M~8lqE
· HH0.CAN~OT..S'PEAK O~HER iTHAN. A'JOi~YMAN. I AM NOT TRYING TO BK'~CR~TICAL
OF THE BOARD, BUT I'F WE HAVE TO AC. CEPT SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTRY
THEN WE SHOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT OUR OWN. I'WILL CHECK IT AND
HAVE A REPORT BACK. I THINK THE BOARD HAS DONE A THOROUGH JO~ ONE OF
THE QUESTIONS BROUGHT TO THE ATTORNEY i WOULD LIKE TO ~~"MATTER OF
RECORD OF IS THAT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING. WHEN WE"~;EN'ETBACK
AND '~TARTE~0BIGGING, WE FOUND OUT THAT I HAVE NEVER APPOINTED MR. PALUCH
OR APPOINTED MR. TRIPP. MK' PALUCH': I.THINK.YOUARE WI~ONG THERE, PAT
WE GOT MINUTES, SHOWING T~'-A~NTS. MAYO~FLO'OD: I DON'T RE-
MEMBER DOING THAT. MI~.; MAYER: I THINK THE APPOINTMENTS WERE CHAIRMAN
AND VICE CHAIRMAN.. ~': THREE YEAR TERMS'. MAXrO~ FLOOD: WHAT
I FOUND SO FAR, EVEN AT"iTHAT, I ~ANT TO CLARIFY A POINT~ I SPOKE TO THE
CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT I'T, AND THE ATTORNEY' SAID AS LONG AS UNDER MY
ADMINISTRATION, THAT I AM RIGHT, BUT AS LONG AS I DID NOT REAPPOINT.
I~'~JJUST SAYING THERE IS A QUESTION GOING Ai~OUNDWHETHE~ YOU ARE ALL
LEGAL OR NOT, BUT I DID GIVE IT OUR ATTORNEY. HE DID SAY THAT AS LONG
AS IT iS THE SAME ADMINISTRATION AND SEE NOT FIT TO APPOINT SOMEBODY
IN YOUR PLACE, THAT IT WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY. MR'.PALUCH'.: DEBBIE
DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THOSE MINUTES, PLEASE GIVE-~OF THE
MINUTES. I WOULD LIKE TO TH~dqK YOU, AND I WOULD-ASSUME..~T YOUHAVE
APPOINTED DEBBIE AS OUR OFFICIAL SECRETARY,'MAYO~FLOOD.': YES. ~
.FLOOD: I'M GLAD WE HAVE THIS,I~'DON'T"REMEPiBEN~ING THAIS,1' 'WENT THROUGH
THE OTHER NIGHT AND I OOULD NOT SEE--WHE-~ I ' ~APPOINTED YOU, YES I SEE
IT HERE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THIS PARTUOF THE RECORD.' t~.'-7'P4LUGH:
THE OTHER MEMBER IS ON AN EXTENDED EXCUSED ABSENC~ ~ACATIONING IN
CALIFORNIA IS' KRIS KIRRIE. AS SOON AS HE GETS BACK IN I WILL CALL A
SPECIAL MEETING, TO LET YOU KNOW BILLY, I WILL WRITE YOU A LETTER.
WILL THAT BE SUITABLE? ME. ADAMS: YES SIR. M~; HARRIS: HE DOES HAVE
THE RIGHT TO APPEAL IF H~'FEELS HE DOES NOT WANT TO WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER,
MR. KILBRIDE: THE'BOARD HAS NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION.'MAYORFLOOD: I THINK
~AT THERE IS ALOT ON MY PART, REGARDING THIS]'~ SI~EwE HAVE RELIED
ON ARTIE FOR S~MANY THINGS, I AM NOT'TRYING TO~.'TAKE UP WiTH ARTIE OR
CONDEM THE BOARD, BUT I THINK THAT THE ACTIONS. THE BOARD HAS TAKEN AS
FAR AS REVAMPING AND SETTING OUT MORE GUIDELINE, THIS WiLL SOLVE SOME
OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE. ITS GOING TO HELP ME AND'ARTIE, SO WE
WILL KNOW'WHERE WE STAND, ITS VERY SELDOM THAT 'ART1E .TAKES ANY ~
BEFORE HE CONSULTS ME. THERE ARE SOMETIMES', THAT DO~iSURPRISE ME.
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SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD - AUGUST 3~ 1982
MAYOR FLO0~: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM GLAD THE BOARD HAS TAKEN
THE TIME TO GO OVER THIS ORDINANCE AND RESTRUCTURE SOME OF IT BECAUSE
I~ IS iN SOME PLACES, IT CAN BE INTER~RETEDi'DIFFER~NTA~.I AM GLAD
THAT THE BOARD IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND THAT HE IS MERE, AND WILL BE
DOIN~_.THE~JOB OF ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION AND WILL HAVE IT OUT WITHIN
THE NEXT TWO OR THREE DAYS, I APPRECIATE THE THOROUGH INVESTIGATION
AND LETS HOPE THAT MR. KIRRIE GETS BACK SOON SO WE CAN SETTLE THIS
ISSUE. MR. PALUCH: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO SANDY, FOR .... '
ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED, THAT ANY APPLICANTS FOR CONSTRUCTION
LICENSES, NOW GO THROUGH THE CITY CLERKi'S OFFICE. MR. KILBRIDE:
MR. CHAIRMAN IN VIEW OF THE MAYORS REMARKS CONCERNINGTHE BOAP[D LOOKING
INTO THE POSSIBLITY OF AUTHORIZING AN ORAL EXAM FOR CERTAIN CATAGORIES
AND SINCE HE WILL BE DIGGING INTO IT, MAYBE WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE STEPS
EOR THE BOARD TO DO THAT, SO IT CAN COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION
WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME WHETHER TO AUTHORIZE THEM AND' UNDER
WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES. MAYOR FLOOD:LET ME CALL TOMORROW AND SEE WHERE WE
ARE. IF MLOCK SAYS THAT YES THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THIS THEN I~?IW~LL
SEND EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD A MEMOi'INDICATING THE FINDINGS AND
WISH THAT YOU WOULD TAKE ACTION INCLUDING AMERICAN ' MR. PALUCH:
MOST OF THE FEED BACK THAT I HAVE EVER GOTTEN FROM ANYBODY TAKING ANY
BLOCK EXAM VERSUS TAKING STATE CERTIFIED, I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT STATE DOES GIVE ORALS. EVERYBODY
THAT I HAVE EVER TALKED TO THATS TAKEN COMPARISON -.'THEiiSTATEYEXAM/.?I
IS EASIER THAN THE BLOCK EXAM.'MR. PALUCH: WE HAVE QUITE A FEW ITEMS
IN THE ATTORNEYE HANDS NOW FOR AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, AND AN ORAL EXAM
WOULD REQUIRE ORDINANCE CHANGE, WE ARE LOOKING AT SEVERAL OTHER ORDIN-
ANCE CHANG. -MAYOR FLOOD: I WILL HAVE AN. ANSWER TO ALL OF YOU BY
TO COMPLETE ~HE 1982-198.3 BUDGET.
MOTION CARRIED,
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