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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10041983Pat I:lood; J~. Mayor City of Sebastian POST OFFICE BOX. 127 [] SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA 32958 TELEPHONE (305) 589-5330 SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD MEETING OCTOBER 4~1983. - 7:30 PJ.M. AGEN,DA Deborah C. Krag# City Clerk CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL APPROVE MINUTES 'OF 9/13/83'MEETING NEW BUSINESS: APPLICATION FOR RE~'~I~qt~CAL LICENSE JAMES W. CURRY - PLUMBING MEMO FROM BUILDING OFFICIAL RE: BILLY ADAMS~ALUMINUM LETTER FROM RENE VAN DEVOORDE RE: JOHN Q, (BICLY' ADAMS)-PLUMBER CHAIRMAN'S MATTERS;_ OLD BUSINESS: DISCUSSION'"REGARD1NG RE-ACTIVE STATUS OF GEORGE W, SCHARDT, III RESIDENTIAL 15 MINUTES TO PUBLIC: ADJOURN IF ANY PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE W')TH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THIS MEETING, HE/SHE WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS, AND THAT, FOR SUCH PURPOSE; HE/SHE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBAT)M RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS )$1~U)~DE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. "HOME OF PELICAN ISLAND" MINUTES OF THE SEBASTIAN CO-NSTRUCTION BOARII OCTOBER 14, 1983 REGULAR MEETING OF THE SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD CALLED TO ORDER BY JIM HARRIS, CHAIRMAN, AT 7:30 P.M. PRESENT: DONALD LANGLOIS GERALD CAREY HOUSTON TRIPP GREGG PALMER JIM HARRIS ATTORNEY DANIEL KILBRIDE ABSENT: JOHN' CALMES (EXCUSED ABSENCE) MINUTES: REGULAR MEETING OCTOBER 14, 1983 MOTION BY HOUSTON TRIPP, SECONDED BY DONALD LANGLOIS, TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF REGULAR SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD MEETING, SEPTEMBER 13, 1983. MOTION CARRIED. NEW BUSINESS: CHAIRMAN HARRIS,CALLED.,ALRECESS IN ORDER FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO REVIEW AN APPLICATION FOR RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT FOR JAMES W. CURRY, PLUMBING CONTRACTOR SUNCOAST PLUMBING, 515 S. WICKHAM ROAD, MELBOURNE, FLA. 32901. CHAIRMAN HARRIS CALLED THE MEETINGtBACK TO ORDER AT 7:40 P.M. MOTION BY HOUSTON TRIPP, SECONDED BY DONALD LANGLOIS, TO ACCEPT THE RECIPROCITY APPLICATION FOR MR. JAMES W. CURRY, PLUMBING CONTRACTOR. MOTION CARRIED. CHAIRMAN HARRIS REPORTED THAT A MEMO HAD BEEN RECEIVED FROM DAN BLAIR, BUILDING OFFICIAL, CONCERNING COMPLAINTS FILED AGAINST BILLY ADAMS, ALUMINUM CONTRACTOR. MR. DAN BLAIR, BUILDING OFFICIAL, MENTIONED THAT THE COMPLAINTS FILED WERE FOR BOOR WORKMANSHIP, NON COMPLETIONiOF JOBS AND PRESSURE FOR FULL PAYMENT PRIOR TO COMENCEMENT OF WORK. HE STATED THAT A LIST OUTLINNING THESE INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINTS AND FOLLOW UP ACTION TAKEN WAS DISTRIBUTED TO THE BOARD. SINCE THiS MEMO WAS WRITTEN, MR. BLAIR STATED THAT MR. ADAM'S HAS MADE AN ATTEMPT ~D~.COMPLY..AND~SATISFACTORILY_~'COMPLETE THESE JOBS. CHAIRMAN HARRIS REQUESTED THAT THIS INFORMATION BE MADE PART OF MR. ADAM'S FILE. CHAIRMAN HARRIS MENTIONED THAT A LETTER HAD BEEN RECEIVED FROM ATTORNEY RENE VAN._ DE VOORDE, REQUESTING THAT HE AND HIS CLIENT MR. BILLY ADAMS, PLUMBING CONTRACTOR, BE PLACED ON THE.AGENDA TO DISCUSS THE EXTENSION OF MR. ADAMS~ PLUMBING LICENSE. CHAIRMAN HARRIS STATED THAT MR. ADAMS AND ATTORNEY RENE VAN DE VOORDE WERE NOT PRESENT TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER. MR. LUCIEN RIZIO, STATED THAT HE WAS IN- FORMED BY MR..ADAMS THAT THIS MATTER BE DISREGARDED. BASED ON MR. RIZIO'S REPORT, NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. 1 - MOTION BY ~RA~D. CAREY, SECONDED BY DONALD LANGLOIS, TO BRING TO THE FLOOR THE APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF MR. CHARLES DAVIDSON'S LICENSE. MOTION CARRIED. MOTION BYGGERALD CAREY, SECONDED BY LUCIEN RIZIO, TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION FOR CHARLES L. DAVIDSON, FLOOR COVERING. MOTION CARRIED. OLD BUSINESS: JIM HARRIS: UNDER OLD BUSINESS, THERE WILL BE A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE REACTIVE STATUS OF GEORGEW. SCHARDT III, A RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTOR. AT THIS TIME DO YOU HAVE SOME THING YOU NEED TO READ. DEBORAH KRAGES: AS YOU RECAZ$ MR. SCHARDT CAME INTO REACTIVATE HIS CONSTRUCTION BOARD LICENSE~'AND ITS EMBARASSING TO SAY THAT WE COULD NOT LOCA'TE THE FILE. , WE BROUGHT IT BEFORE THE BOARD AND THE BOARD REQUESTED THAT HE PROVIDE A DATE OF EXAMINATION, PROOF OF PAYMENT AND SOMETHING TO LEAD US BACK TO HiS ACTUAL TESTING. HE COMPLETED A NEW APPLICATION FORM AND PRESENTED IT TO 'THE BOARD AND IN THE PROCESS OF CHECKING THAT APPLICATiON AND THE DATES THAT HE SUBMITTED THAT HE HAD TAKEN .THE EXAM, I FOUND SOME DISCREPANCIES, I FELT THE BOARD SHOULD TURN OVER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IT WAS'INDEED TURNED OVER. JIM HARRIS: HAVE WE HEARD FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. DEBORAH KRAGES: INVESTIGATOR PUSCHER IS HERE,~-IF~i. YOU3~PREFER HE GIVE THE REPORT. JIM HARRIS: ATTORNEY KILBRIDE, IS THAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE THATMR, PUSCHER GIVE THE REPORT. JIM HARRIS: I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN ORDER. MR. SCHARDT: I NEVER DID GIVE A DATE OF EXAM. DEBORAH KRAGES: OK, YOU MAY NOT HAVE, YOU GAVE A RECEIPT OF WHEN..YOU GAVE PAYMENT. MR. SCHARDT: EXACTLY. DEBORAH KRAGES: OK AND AS I RECALL, YOU SAID THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU.!.'HAD TAKEN THE EXAM RIGHT AFTER THAT DATE OF PAYMENT, WITHIN A SHORT TIME OF THAT. MR. SCHARDT: ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I~WASN.~T..SURE.~.'IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THEN BUT I DID GIVE YOU A RECEIPT. DEBORAH KRAGES: YES YOU DID. MR. SCHARDT: AND THAT DATE IS ON THERE, THE DATE OF THE EXAM IS NOT ON THERE, OK. DAVi.~iPUSCHER: I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO GET--DATES, THEY CAN BE OBTAINED, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE TO BE LOOKED UP THROUGH INCIDENT REPORT NUMBERS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. THE CITY CLERK, DEBBIE KRAGES, ADVISED ME THAT SHE WAS REVIEWING AN APPLICATION FOR ACTIVATING A ~.TRACTORS".LICENSE FOR MR.~. IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, SHE DISCOVERED A COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS THAT SHE DID NOT RECOGNIZE THE SIGNATURE OF BEING HEROWN. SHE FURNISHED ME COPIES OF THAT ONE PARTICULAR LETTER DATED OCTOBER 18, 1982, IT WAS ADDRESSED TO ESTER L. RYMER, BUILDING DIRECTOR, INDIAN RIVER COUNTY. I SUBPOENAED AND WAS ABLE TO GET A HOLD OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, TEN KNOWN SIGNATURE STANDARDS FROM MRS. KRAGES, 10 COLLECTED SIGNATURE STANDARDS AND 10 REQUESTED SIGNATURE STANDARDS. 2 DAVID PUSCHER: THESE WERE SUBMITTED TO THE REGIONAL CRIME LAB FOR ANALYSIS. THE CIMINALiST WAS TONYi BOREDO, AND AFTER HE REVIEWED THE SIGNATURE IN QUESITON AND THE SIGNATURE IN QUESTION HE GAVE US..A STATEMENT THAT PARTICULAR SIGNATURE WAS A FORGERY, THE LETTER THAT THAT SIGNATURE IN:i~'QHESTION APPEARED ON WAS TO ADVISE MRS. RYMER, THAT GEORGE WILLIAM SCHARDT iii TOOK AND PASSED THE GENERAL CON,TRACTORS CLASS "C" EXAMINATION IN SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA, SPONSORED BY THE SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD, SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA ON MAY 8, 1982. THIS EXAMINATION WAS PREPARED,.3P~ROCTORED AND GRADED BY BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES, THE APPLICANTS NUMBER WAS R-5 WHEN HE RECEIVED THE GRADE SCORE OF 75%. I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO FURNISH ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU MAY REQUIRED. VERY TRULY YOURS, DEBBIE KRAGES. THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT THE SIGNATURE WAS DETERMINED TO BE A FORGERY ON. FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, THIS BY THE WAY HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM THE CITY FILE. FOLLOWING UP ON THAT A CERTIFIED COPY WAS REQUESTED FROM BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES AS TO THE._'.'GRADES GIVEN ON i'THAT DAY AND BY THAT NUMBER R-5. WHEN THE COPY FROM BLOCK CAME IT WAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORMAT, THE SIGNATURES WERE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND THE TEST SCORES WERE NOT THE SAME, INDICATING THAT THE PARTICULAR SCORE IN QUESiTON HAD BE ALTERED SOMEWHERE. MY FINDZNGS WERE SUBMITTED TO THE SECRETARY, AT THAT TIME I INDICATED THAT BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND .OTHER KNOWN IRREGULARITIES, MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE~CONSTRUCTION BOARD AT THAT TIME, IS TO DO WHAT EVER THEY DEEMED NECESSARY IN THE CONTINUATION OF THIS. MR. HARRIS:~ ANY QUESTIONS. HOUSTON TRIPP: I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCEDURE BUT YOU SAID COULD YOU GO THROUGH THAT SIGNATURE DEAL AGAIN. DAVID PUSCHER: YES,SIR,_~WHEN YOU HAVE A HANDWRITING IN QUESTION ESPECIALLY A SIGNATURE THE PROCEDURE FOR THAT IS TO OBTAIB. iO REQUESTED STANDARDS, ANOTHER WORDS I WOULD ASK YOU FOR 10 KNOWN STANDARDS OE3YOUR SIGNATURE. YOU WOULD TAKE 10 INDIVIDUAL PIECES OF PAPER AND SIGN YOUR NAME AS YOU USUALLY DO. IN ADDITION TO THAT WE HAVE 10 COLLECWED STANDARDS, ONE OF THE PLACES WE OBTAIN THOSE IS THROUGH PERIODIC COLLECTION OF WHAT YOU HAVE SIGNED IN 3THE3~PAST, SUCH AS A CHECK YOU WOULD SIGN A CHECK TODAY, ONE THAT YOU SI~NE~.~YESTERDAY-'AND THE DAY BEFORE. ETC., THOSE COLLECTED AND REQUESTED STANDARDS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THE QUESTIONABLE SIGNATURES AND THE IRREGULARITIES AND THE NORMALITIES THAT REFLECT IN YOUR USUAL HANDWRITING, THEY ARE ANALYZED BY THE CRIMINIALIST AND HE IS ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION OR THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SUBMITTED THE KNOWN'.AND COLLECTED STANDARDS DID IN FACT MAKE THE QUESTION SIGNATURE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HIS OPINION WAS NO, THAT THE SIGNATURE ON THE PAPER.~.WAS NOT AND COULD NOT HAVE BEEN SIGNED BY MRS. KRAGES. ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: OFFICER PUSCHER, DIRECTLY RELATING TO THE APPLICANT GEORGE SCHARDT, YOU STATED THAT AFTERTHIS OTHER LETTER YOU WENT BACK TO DETERMINE IF HE HAD OBTAINED A PASSING GRADE ON THE BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES EXAM? IS THAT PART OF YOUR INVESTIGATION, AND THAT IN FACT THE REPORT,THAT WAS IN THE FILE OF THE CITY HAD BEEN ALTERED. D&VI~ PUSCHER: YES SIR, IF I MAY HAVE A MINUTE TO FIND THOSE COPIES. THE ONE 'THAT'WAS REQUESTED TO BE COPY, ISEE HERE THAT IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE CERTIFIED BUT IT IS A COPY RECEIVED BY BLOCK. THEY DO REFLECT DIFFERENT SCORES. WE ALSO HAVE A COPY OF THETEST SCORE, THE TEST SHEET. THEY ALSO DO NOT INDICATE~i~PASSING SCORE. ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: SO, IS IT YOUR STATEMENT, THAT YOUR INVESTIGATION INDICATES THAT GEORGE SCHARDT DID NOT OBTAIN A PASSING GRADE ON THE BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES EXAM. DAVID PUSCHER: YES SIR, MAY I APPROACH, THIS COPY IS THE ONE TAKEN~OUT OF THE CITY FILE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN OUR FILE THE TEST SCORE IS 75%. THIS IS THE REQUESTED COPY FROM BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES, CERTIFIED AND TRUE COPY. ~IM_HARRIS:i .... IS THERE ANY OTHER ALTERED SCORES. DO YOU WANT THE REST OF THE MEMBERS TO REVIEW THIS? ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: OK, OFFICER PUSCHER, IN ADDITION, TO THE LETTER, TO ESTER RYMER, THAT THE SIGNATURE WAS DETERMINED TO BE A FORGERY, THAT INDICATED THAT GEORGE SCHARDT WAS R-5. DAVID PUSCHER: YOU WILL HAVE TO LET ME LOOK AT THE LETTER, I DON'T REC~qLL!~WHETHER IT REFERED TO MR. SCHARDT AS R-5 IN ADDITION, YES SIR, IT DID. MR. SCHARDT~ :EXCUSE ME, WHAT DOES R-$ MEAN? JIM HARRIS: THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS, THE DAY OF THE TEST, THE NUMBER THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO YOU. DO'..-YDU. NOT_ RECALL THAT NUMBER. MR. SCHARDT: NO: JIM HARRIS: DO YOU RECALL BEING GIVEN ANY NUMBER. MR. SCHARDT: NO JIM HARRIS: YOU DON' T RECALL BEING GIVEN ANY' NUMBER. MR. SCHARDT: NO, I WENT AND T-~U~f THE TEST AND AS FAR AS I KNOW I PASSED?-IT. I GOT THE LETTER RIGHT HERE SAYING THAT I DID. ATTORNEY .KILBRIDE: THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE. MR. SCHARDT: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO READ IT, IT IS FROM THE CITY. ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: I WOULD BE GLAD TO READ IT, WE ARE TRYING TO GET OFFICER PUSCHER~S REPORT FIRST. OFFICER PUSCHER, DID YOU FIND THAT LETTER. DAVID PUSCHER: YES SIR, IT REFERES TO GEORGE WILLIAm4 $CHARDT III, THE APPLICANTS NUMBER ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LETTER, THE APPLICANTS NUMBER WAS R-5 AND IT IS INDICATED THAT HE RECEIVED A GRADE SCORE OF 75~ ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: WAS THERE ANY OTHER INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED TO INSURE TH~-3 INFACT GEORGE.'SCHARDT WAS R-5. DAVID PUSCHER: NO SIR, DEBORAH KRAGES: MRS. RYMER RETURNED TO ME A COPY OF AN APPLICATION THAT WAS MAILED TO HER, THAT IS IN THERE AND IT GAVE THE DATE HE TOOK THE TEST, THE GRADE SCORE, HIS NUMBER ASSIGNED AND THE DATE HE PAID HIS MONEY. THAT WAS PICKED UP BY A POLICE OFFICER FROM ESTER RYMER, ALSO HIS COVER SHEET OF HIS APPLICATION WITH THE CITY OF VERO ~BEACH/$NDIAN RIVER COUNTY. DAVID PUSCHER: AS FAR AS CORROBORATING INfORMATiON 3~N THIS PARTICULAR CASE, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE,_~HAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME, THAT HAS R~5 ON IT ALSO CONTAINS MR. SCHARDT'S NAME. OF COURSE, I DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS SIGNED IT, I CAN ONLY GO ON EXISTING RECORDS. ATTORNEY KILBRiDE: THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO DETERMINE. YOUR REPORT iS THAT MR, SCHARDT IN FACT DID NOT PASS THE TEST ~ .~- DAVID PUSCHER: YES SIR. ATTORNEY KILBRIDE':.:' I AM JUST ASKING, IF WE HAVE MADE EVERY...EFFORT TO INSURE SINCE THE BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES ONLY GRADES BY NUMBER, THAT IT IS YOUR REPORT THAT YOU,..CAN STATE WITH REASONABLY CERTAINTY THAT R-5 IS IN.FACT GEORGE SCHARDT. -- ~ -- DAVID~PUSCHER: YES SIR, EVERY INDICATION THAT I HAVE. HOUSTON TRIPP: MR.CHAIRMAN, THERE WERE FOUR OTHER NAME' ON THERE THAT WERE ISSUED NUMBERS R -1, THERE ARE FIVE TOTAL, FROM R-1 TO R-5. ~;.~WERE THE FILES EXAMINED ON THE OTHERS TO SEE THAT THE PROPER NAMES WERE IN THE RIGHT SEQUENCE. DAVID PUSCHER: I DON'T FEEL QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THAT SIR, BECAUSE THE INCONSISTENCY THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AT THAT TIME WAS ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, THEREFORE I HAD NO REASON TO GO INTO THE 'OTHER FILES, THIS ALL CAME ABOUT BY A QUESTIONED SIGNATURE RELATING TO THIS ~ONE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, BY NAME AND BYiNUMBER. HOUSTON... TRIPP : DO YOU KNOW DEBBIE . DEBORAH KRAGES: YES, THEY WERE, THE MAYOR AND I BOTH DID THEM. HOUSTON TRIPP: WERE SENT OUT. SO THE OTHERS MATCH UP WITH THE APPLICATIONS AND THE LETTERS THAT JIM HARRIS: IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESITONS FROM THE BOARD FOR MR. PUSCHER. MR. SCHARDT DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. PUSCHER OR THE BOARD. MR. SCHARDT: NO.'I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, EXCEPT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ~VIDENCE OF WHAT..~HE IS ~ALKING ABOUT, SAYING THAT I DID NOT PASS THE TEST. I GOT A LETTER HERE SAYING THAT I TOOK THE TEST IN SEBASTIAN, I GOT A LETTER HERE SAYING THAT I PASSED IT, NOW YOUR SAYING I AIN,:'T. MR. SCHARDT: THIS IS THE FIRST LETTER I GOT FROM THE CITY ON MAY 8, 1982, SAYING CONGRADULATIONS, YOU PASSED THE EXAM, PASSING GRADE OF 75%. THIS IS FROM THE CITY. IT'S NOT A COPY, NONE OF THESE ARE COPIES. NUMBER 2, THIS IS TO ADVISE THAT SEBASTIAN CONSTRUCTION BOARD AT THEIR REGULAR MEETING OF APRIL 14, TABLED YOUR REQUEST TO PLACE YOUR LICENSE ON ACTIVE STATUS, AS YOUR FILE iS UNAVAILABLE. MY FILE WAS UNAVAILABLE FOR SOME REASON, NOT TO PLACE ANY INCOMPETENCE ON ANYBODY, IT WAS UNAVAILABLE. SO THIS IS WHAT WAS REQUESTED OF ME. COMPLETE ATTACHED APPLICATION IN I~fSENTIRETY, PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH EXAMINATION DATE, PROVIDE RECEIPT OF MONIES PAID FOR EXAMINATION. I"DZD THIS TO THE BEST THAT I COULD. THAT WAS THE SECOND LETTER. THIS IS THE THIRD. LETS MAKE THIS ONE' SHORT, LETS DROP RIGHT DOWN THERE TO THE BOTTOM, IF YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESITONS PERTAINING TO YOUR FILE, YOU SHOULD CONTACT DAVID PUSCHER, WHICH I DID IN PRIVATE. ITDID THAT. THIS IS THE LAST LETTER I RECEIVED FROM THE CITY, WHICH MORE OR LESS DROPS DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LINE AGAIN, IF YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO YOUR FILE YOU SHOULD CONTACT DAVID PUSCHER AGAIN, SIGNED DEBORAH KRAGES. THATS WHAT I KNOW AS FAR AS~I~Y"KNOWLEGE. I CAME HERE TO THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN, TOOK THE TEST, PASSED THE TEST AS FAR AS I KNOW, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT I DID BECAUSE I THOUGHT .... IT WAS PIECE OF CAKE AND NOW I AM TOLD WELL, I REGISTERED IN ACTIVE AT THE TIME BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO BE ACTIVE IN THE CITY, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY NEED TO BE, SO I WENT ACTIVE IN VERO ~AND IN INDIAN RIVER COUNTY AND NOW HERE I AM. SOMETHING IS MISSING HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. JIM HARRIS: DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESITONS OF MR. SEHARDT. JIM HARRIS: DO YOU RECALL WHEN YOU TOOK THE EXAMINATION, ~ ~T THOSE DATES. MR. SCHARDT: I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT DATES. JI~ HARRIS: YOU DON'T RECALL BEING GIVE ANY NUMBER R-i, 2v,~.!$, 4, 5, 6 MR. SCHARDT: NO JIM HARRIS: DO YOU REMEMBER HOW LONG YOUR EXAM WAS. MR. SCHARDT: ON ~',~GUESS,'i,'ROUUHLY-'AN~HOUR3 ~2VD~ HALF, SOMEWHERE. JIM HARRIS: WAS IT A MORNING EXAM. MR .SCHARDT : YES DON LANGLOIS: WHERE DID YOU TAKE YOUR TEST, IN SEBASTIAN. MR. SCHARDT: WHERE, OVER THERE, I BELIEVE IT IS CALLED THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND ARTIE MAYER WAS PRESENT AT THE TIME. HE SHOULD KNOW. JIM HARRIS: THE BOARD IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE EXAM, THE RESIDENTIAL CO~,~R2~TTORS EXAM IS A SIX HOUR EXAM, IT'S GIVEN HALF IN THE .MORNING AND HALF IN THE AFTERNOON. ALL THE EXAMINATIONS ARE ISSUED NUMBERS REGARDLESS IF THERE IS ONE IN THAT CATAGORY OR NOT. MR. SCHARDT: IT WAS NOT A SIX HOUR EXAM, MAYBE IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR SIX HOURS, BUT IT WASN'T. ~ HARRIS: YOU~,.MAY'.HAVE TAKEN IT .IN A HOUR, I CANNOT DISPUTE THAT. DO YOU KNOW ANY OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THERE, THAT WERE PRESENT. MR. SCHARDT: THERE WERE ALOT OF PEOPLE THERE. J~M HARRIS: I MEAN FROM THE CITY. MR. SCHARDT: LiKE CITY OFFICIALS, JIM HARRIS: WAS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD THERE. MR. SCHARDT: THE ONLY PERSON THAT I KNOW FOR SURE THAT WAS THERE THAT I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY WAS ARTIE MAYER ..... JIM HARRIS; AT THIS TIME, ATTORNEY KILBRIDE, IN ORDER FOR THE BOARD TO TAKE THE EVIDENCE THAT MR. RUSCHER HAS GIVEN US, FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE A JUDGEMENT IN THEIR MIND. ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: IF THE BOARD IS SATISFIED. JIMCHARRIS:' IS.. THE BOARD SATISFIED: HOUSTON TRIPP: I HAVE ANOHTER QUESTION HERE, IN THE FILE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO ASK DAVID PUSCHER OR DEBBIE, I GUESS DEBBIE WOULD BE BETTER2 DEBBIE THESE TWO COPIES OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT ARE DATED 5/8/82, ARE THESE COPIES OF THE ORIGINALS. DEBORAH KRAGES: THOSE ARE COPIES THAT ESTER RYMER HAS SENT ME. HOUSTON TRIPP: TH~SE ARE COPIES FROM HER FILE THAT SHE SENT YOU. JIM HARRIS: MR. PUSCHER HAVE YOU EXAMINED THE ORGINAL COPY OF THIS3DNE THAT YOU SAID WAS ALLEGEDLT' CHANGED FROM BLOCK AND ASSOCIATES. DAVID PUSCHER: I WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW MY OTHER FILE, I HAVE MANY ORIGINALS IN THAT FILE. SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS DID NOT PERTAIN TO THE ACTUAL INVESTIGATION MY INVESTIGATION WAS CENTERED AROUND THE QUESTIONED SIGNATURE OF THE VARIANCE IN THE TWO LETTERS THAT PROVIDED A TEST SCORE BY NUMBER, ONE IS INDICATED BY A CERTIFIED COPY AND ONE OF THEM IS NOT. - 6 - JIM HARRIS: THATS THE COPY I AM PERTAINING TO. THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE ACTUAL CHANGE FROM THEtORfGINAL TO THE CERTIFIED COPY, THE ORIGINAL WE HAD, DID IT DETECT ANY.~S THAT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT WASN'T CHANGED. %_/ DAVID PUSCHER: NO SIR, IT DOESN' T. IT COULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED ON THE ORIGINAL, IT COULD HAVE BEEN PHOTO COPIED, ANO~HER'-SIGNi~TURE~.COULDSHAVE'i'BEEN TRANSPOSED ON TO THAT, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO DO IT. I. DON'T RECALL THAT ANY DETECTION HAD BEEN MADE ON THAT. ON THE FIRST DOCUMENT THAT I HAVE. I BELIEVE ~N FHAT?AN ANALYST WAS REQUESTED 3.. BUT"~NOT OBTAINED. JIM HARRIS: YOU REQUESTED THAT THE CERTIFIED COPY BE SENT TO YOUR OFFICE, OR biD MRS. KRAGES. DAVID PUSCHER: I BELEIVE I GOT THAT FROM MRS. KRAGES. MRS. KRAGES: I HAVE A WHOLE FILE FULL OF CERTIFIED, HE ALSO SENT ME A CERTIFIED COPY. JIM HARRIS: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, OR ARE YOU STILL REVIEWING THE FILE. HOUSTON TRIPP: SINCE I HAVEN'T TAKEN THE RESIDENTIAL BLOCK EXAM, HAS ANYONE ON THE BOARD TAKEN IT. IN THE AFTERNOON SESSION, WERE YOU HERE SIX HOURS. WHAT DID THE AFTERNOON PERTAIN TO, WAS IT MULTIPLE CHOICE. DON LANGLOIS~ YES, OPEN BOOK, MULTIPLE CHOICE. IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 3 HOURS IN THE MORNING, 3 HOURS IN THE?AFTERNOON. IF YOU DID IT FASTER THEN YOU COULD GET UP AND LEAVE IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN THE TIME WAS UP. BUT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THAT IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT 5 HOURS. JIM HARRIS: IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE THE ENTIRE TEST IN THE MORNINING WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK IN THE AFTERNOON. DON LANGLOIS WHEN I TOOK MINE, NO. I CAN'T SAY AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. IT WAS BROKEN DOWN IN TWO SEGMENTS AND YOU FINISHED IN THE MORNING BUT YOU HAD TO COME BACK IN THE AFTERNOON II~THE SECOND SECTION. JIM HARRIS : HAS THE TEST BEEN CHANGED IN ANY WAY. DEBORAH KRAGES: I HAVE NOT STAYED THE FULL TIME FOR THE TEST. JIM HARRIS: BUT THERE HAS BEEN A MORNING AND AFTERNOON EXAM DKBOBAH KRAGE.~:.': TO MY KNOWLEGE, YES. JIM HARRIS: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. SCHARDT OR MR. PUSCHER, ATTORNEY KILBRIDE. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, ATTORNEY KILBRIDE I THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT ALL THE MEMBERS ARE SATISFIED WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THEY RECEIVED. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, DO ANY OF THE MEMBERS NEED MORE TIME TO REVIEW IT?? DAVID PUSCHER: IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE ALTHOUGH THE SIGNATURE OF DEBORAH KRAGES WAS DETERMINED TO BE A FORGERY, IN NO WAY ARE WE TRYING TO INDICATE TO MR. SCHARDT, MAY.!OR Ma~.>NOT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. WE DID NOT DETERMINE WE DID NOT ATTEMPT TO DETERMINE WHO DID THE FORGERY. BUT I WANT YOU TO HAVE ALL THE FACTS IF YOUR GOING TO HAVE THEM AT THIS POINT MR. SCHARDT, iN MY OPINION A PERSON WHO MAY OP..MAY. NOT HAD ACCES~..TO~.T~AT AND HE PARTICULARLY IS NOT SUSPECTED OF DOING THE FORGERY. JIM HARRIS: DOES THE BOARD UNDERSTAND WHAT SGT. PUSCHER IS TRYING TO SAY, THAT MR". SCHARDT DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE FILE ,AND IS PROBABLY NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE. ARE YOU TRYING TO ASCERTAIN WHO ACTUALLY DID THE FORGERY. DAVID PUSCHER: NO SIR, THAT PART OF THE INVESTIGATION, THE FINDINGS WOULD NOT BE,,'.ADVANTAGEOUS FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON AND PURSUE IT ANY FURTHER, BECAUSE.~.IT WOULD BE A CRIMINAL VIOLATION AND IF THE RECORDS HAVE BEEN IN QUESTION AND BROUGHT UP ON MANY OCCASIONS BEFORE THAT SO, THE CRIMINAL. CHARGE IS PRACTICALLY NIL.'i AND VOID AT THIS TIME JIM HARRIS: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS MR SCHARDT OF THE BOARD OR THE ATTORNEY OR MR. PUSCHER. MR. SCHARDT: NOT AT THE PRESENT MOMENT~ BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD THAT JUST IN CASE OF YOUR FINDINGS. JIM..HARRIS: IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD. MR. SCHARDT IF YOU. HAVE ANY STATEMENT, I THINK ONCE THE BOARD TAKES ACTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THAT WILL BE FINAL AND IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY APPEAL IT WILL BE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. iF YOU HAVE ANY STATEMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE TO THE BOARD PRIOR TO THAT, WE WOULD BE MORE.THAN HAPPY TO LISTEN. MR. SCHARDT: NO STATEMENTS, EXCEPT FOR.WHAT I TOLD YOU, I REPRODUCED THAT APPLICATION THE BEST THAT I COULD AND MY BACKGROUND IS IN THAT APPLICATION IF YOU.i,READ IT. I'VE BEEN THERE AND BACK, I KNOW WHAT THE HELL I AM DOING. JIM HARRIS: ATTORNEY KILBRIDE PLEASE. ATTORNEY KILBRIDE: MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU TAKE ACTION, A QUICK REMINDER, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT OF COURSE IS AN APPLICATION FOR A RESIDENTIAL CONTRACT fTO REACTIVATE HiS LICENSE AND UNDER SECTION 7-96, SUB PARAGRAPH D, STATES THAT A._~BERSON WHO HOLDS A VALID CERTIFICATE FROM THE BOARD MAY GO ON IN ACTIVE STATUS DURING WHICH TIME HE MAY NOT ENGAGE IN CONTRACTING BUT OBTAIN A CERTIFICATE ON AN INACTIVE BASIS ON PAYMENT OF AN ANNUAL RENEWAL FEE DURING THE INACTIVE PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED $10.00 PER YEAR AND AN INACTIVE CERTIFICATE CAN BE ACTIVATED~ONLY.'-'BY,'.AP~ICAT~ON TO AND APPROVAL BY THE BOARD ON THE PROPER FORMS. I THINK, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE, ALTHOUGH IT IS INACTIVE, IT HOLDS SOME STATIS, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT IS A NEW APPLICATION EXCEPT THAT IN YOUR PURPOSES TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE FILES WERE COMPLETE IN ORDER TO REACTIVATE THE CERTIFICATE. THE CLERK HAS STATED THAT HER EXAMINATION INDICATES THAT FILE WAS NOT COMPLETE AND THEREFORE MR. SCHARDT WAS ASKED TO COMPLETE A NEW APPLICATION FORM WHICH YOU HAVE BUT THE INVESTIGATION ALSO INDICATES AS OFFICER PUSCHER STATED TO YOU THAT HIS INVESTIGATION INDICATES THAT MR. SCHARDT DID NOT HAVE A PASSING GRADE ON THE RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTORS EXAM , MR. SCHARDT HAS STATED HIS STATEMENT THAT HE TOOK IT~AND HE._,FEL~>HE PASSED. YOUR OBLIGATION HERE IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE, THAT HE HAS MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO ISSUE A RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTORS LICENSE, IF SO, YOU SHOULD APPROVE IT. IF YOU..FEEL THE EVIDENCE IS DIFFERENT, DENY, OR TAKE ACTION THAT IS APPROPRIATE. JIM HARRIS: WITH THAT THOUGHT IN MIND, THIS BOARD AT,THISi. TIM~ NEEDSSTO TAKE ACTION TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY, THE REACTIVE STATUS OF MR. SCHARDT'S LICENSE. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ACCEPT OR DENY. HOUSTON TRIPP.: ONE MORE QUESTION JIM, IF I MAY. MR. SCHARDT DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE WHATS SO EVER TO PRESENT TO US, THAT YOUR~NUMBER..COULD BE ANYTH~NU~O~HER..THAN R-5 OR ANY EVIDENCE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE THERE, THE LETTER FROM THE CITY. MR. SCHARDT: NO SIR, BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE ANY LETTER OR ANY INFORMATION REPRESENTING ANY NUMBER AT ALL. THE DAY OF THE EXAM I DID NOT PAY ATTENTION TO IT. Ii.M NOT EVEN POSITIVE THAT I WAS GIVEN A NUMBER. HOUSTON TRIPP: ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION MR. SCHARDT: IF I WAS, I SURE.DIDN'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT. HOUSTON TRIPP: THATS ALL I HAVE. JIM HARRIS: AT THIS TIME, IT IS THE OBLIGATION OF THIS BOARD TO EITHER ACCEPT OR DENY.. MR. SCHARDT: WHAT IS ALL THIS DETERMINING, MY!-PERSONAL ABILITY OR WHAT? JIM HARRIS: NO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. MR. SCHARDT: MY PAST EXPERIENCE. JIM HARRIS: NO SIR, YOU HAVE APPLIED TO REACTIVATE YOUR LICENSE. MR. SCHARDT: EXACTLY, NOT REACTIVATE, ACTIVATE, I REGISTERED IN ACTIVE BECAUSE AT THE TIME, I DID NOT WANT TO BE ACTIVE, I DID NOT NEED TO BE. JIM HARRIS: YOU APPLIED TO ACTIVATE YOUR LICENSE. MR. SCHARDT: EXACTLY. JIM HARRIS: THE_B~'ARD_AT THAT TIME HAS THE RIGHT TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION, UPON THAT REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, THE CLERK HAS FOUND DISCREPANCIES IN HER SIGNATURE, WHETHER YOU ARE AWARE OF IT2OR NOT, THOSE WERE FOUND. SHE TURNED IT OVER. MR. SCHARDT: MY FILE WAS LOST, MOVING FROM THE OLD BUILDING TO THE OLDER BUILDING. JIM HARRIS: THE CLERK HAD FOUND TH~T_'HER SI~NATUR~T~THATSSHE.~FELT WAS FORGED, SHE TURNED IT OVER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DETERMINED IT, IN FACT IT HAD BEEN A CASE AND THE TEST RESULTS HAD BEEN ALTERED,~NOW IT IS THE OBLIGATION OF THIS BOARD TO DETERMINE IF WE ARE GOING TO ACTIVATE THIS LICENSE WITH THOSE THOUGHTS IN MIND OR IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OTHER ACTION. MR. SCHARDT: OK CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME THE DAY OF MY TEST. JIM HARRIS: R-5 HOUSTON TRIPP: IT IS MARKED ON YOUR APPLICATION, R-5 JIM HARRIS: THE CLERK HAS TESTIFIED THAT ALL OF THE OTHER NUMBERS CO~RELATE WITH OTHER PEOPLE, SO THE ONLY NUMBER LEFT IS R-5 AND THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO YOU. BY THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION,NOT ONLY WAS IT GIVEN TO YOU, GOIN~t THEOOTHER',WAY~ ~IT~'WAS A~SO WORKED OUT THAT IT WAS GIVEN TO YOU. GERALD.'.'GARE~: ~HAT IS YOUR STATUS NOW WITH INDIAN RIVER COUNTY MR. SCHARDT: WITH INDIAN RIVER COUNTY, I HAVE A LICENSE WITH INDIAN RIVER COUNTY, ~IT~.!'VERO BE~g_H__~A~V_~ RE~ISTERE~. ~ITH THE. STATE. I AM PRESENTLY EMPLOYED AT JOHNS ISLAND, KRUM CONSTRUCTIO~ A~ A LE~ M.~.,. 'Q~_A-~RIM .GREW. JIM HARRIS: IS THIS THE ONLY EXAM YOU HAVE EVER TAKEN. MR. SCHARDT: YES, THAT WAS IT. AS FAR AS CONTRACTORS GO. JIM HARRIS: OK I LOOK TO THE BOARD AGAIN TO MAKE A DETERMINATION. ON THE STATUS T~ ACTIVATE MR. SCHARDT'S LICENSE. WE NEED TO TAKE 9 ACTION. MR. SCHA_R_D_T: THE ONLY THING I ASK IS THAT YOU DO REVIEW MY APPLICATION. JIM HARRIS: EVERY MEMBER HERE HAS REVIEWED IT. MR=-SCHARDT: BECAUSE I HAVE A HELL OF ALOT BACK PAST EXPERIENCE IN ALOT OR AREAS IN CONSTRUCTION. IF THATS WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO. JIM HARRIS: IT BOILSJDOWN TO THE TEST. ANY FURTHER COMMENT FROM THE BOARD, AT THIS TiME I WOULD LIKE~.'TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT OR DENY~MR. SCHARD'T APPLICATION TO ACTIVATE HIS LICENSE. MOTION BY HOUSTON TRIPP,.SECONDED BY LUCIEN RIZZIO THAT_WE_DENY THE APPLICATION DUE TO THE ALTERATIONS OF THE TEST SCORES THAT WE RECEIVED BACK FROM BLOCK. ROLL CALL AYES:..'DON LANGLOIS LUCIEN RIZZIO GERALD CAREY HOUSTON TRIPP GREG PALMER JIM....HARRIS NAYS: NONE MOTION CARRIED. JIM HARRIS:AT THIS TIME THE BOARD FEELS AS THOUGH, WITH THE APPLICATION THAT WE REVIEWED, IT IS NOT PROPER TO ACTIVATE MR. SCHARDT!S LICENSE. THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT MR. SCHARDT DOESSNOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO TAKE THE EXAMINATION AGAIN AND IF THE APPLICATION IS FOUND IN ORDER, I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER MATTER FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW. I'WOULD LIKE TO.JHST~.MAKEiA COMMENT, THAT I DON'TTHINK THAT THE BOARD FEELS YOU ARE A PART OF THIS IN ANY WAY. AT THiS TIME IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT WE FOUND. MR. SCHARDT. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A WRITTEN LETTER IN?BULL OF THE FINDINGS AND WHY. JIM' HARRIS: AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL ANY DECISION OF THIS BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL. MR. SCHARDT: OK, I WOULD STILL LIKE IT__IN WRITING. CHAIRMANS MATTERS: HOUSTON TRIPP REPORTED THAT HE HASJ~NOT~BEENiABLE~"TO.~GETi~LL.OF3'THE INFORMATION BUT THE TWO CATAGORIES THAT BREVARD COUNTY HAS IS-FOR A GENERAL ROOFING CATAGORY AND A SPECIAL ROOFING CATAGORY. THE GENERAL IS UNLIMITED, THEY COVER ANYTHING PERTAINING TO WEATHER PROOFING TO SHINGLES~ANDt~BOTHi'CATAGORIES~ARE.STESTED. CHtArRMAN HARRIS ASKED THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS CONSIDER THAT ROOFING APPLICANTS BE TESTED SO._~'BYiTHE._NEXT~.REGULAR~YLSCHED~LED?-._MEETING. A.~DETERMINATION CAN BE MADE. HE STATED THAT THIS WOULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING. CHAIRMAN HARRIS REQUESTED THAT TWO BOARD MEMBERS REVIEW£AND VERIFY EXAM GRADES FOR APPLICANTS TESTED IN SEPTEMBER 1983. CHAIRMAN HARRIS REQUESTED THAT IT,BE.'NOTED..tN THE RECORD BOOK ALL PERSONS TAKING A TEST IN GAINESVILLE. HE~EX~LAINED THE-~EASON£'BEING~ IN THE EVENT THE CITY DOES DETERMINE THAT YOU ARE ONLY PERMITTED TO TAKE SO MANY EXAMS WE WILL HAVE A RECORD. MOTION BY DON LANGLOIS, SECONDED BY HOUSTON TRIPP, TO ADJOURN. 8:57 P.M. 10