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COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY (CRA)
(CITY COUNCIL)
MINUTES
WEDNESDAY, JULY 9, 2008 - 5:30 pm
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
1225 MAIN ST, SEBASTIAN, FL
The Mayor called the meeting to order at 5:30 p.m.
2. The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
3. ROLL CALL
City Council Present:
Mayor Andrea Coy
Vice-Mayor Sal Neglia
Council Member AI Paternoster
Council Member Dale Simchick
Council Member Eugene Wolff
Staff Present:
City Manager, AI Minner
City Attorney, Rich Stringer
City Clerk, Sally Maio
Deputy City Clerk, Jeanette Williams
MIS Systems Analyst, Rob Messersmith
Finance Director, Ken Killgore
Growth Management Director, Rebecca Grohall
Police Chief, Jim Davis
Police Lieutenant, Michelle Morris
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. 3/26/08 Meeting
MOTION by Mr. Paternoster and SECOND by Mr. Neglia to approve the
3/26/08 meeting minutes passed on a voice vote of 5-0.
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5. OLD BUSINESS
A. Authorization to Proceed -Indian River Drive/Main Street Project (City
Manager Transmittal, Updated Cost Estimate/Budget; P & Z Minutes,
Vegetation Charts, Final SBS Design, Alternate SBS Design and
Restroom Concept Under Separate Cover -This Backup will be also be
used for City Council Meeting)
The City Manager said the presentation will include an explanation by the City
Attorney as to the way this project is agendized this evening, a recap from him,
and an update from Joe Schulke, the project engineer.
The City Attorney explained the CRA members are looking at this as a separate
entity as their budget expenditures are not reviewed by City Council, but since
the Council sits as the CRA, they will look at it twice and he suggested the
motion include "Authorization to expend up to a certain amount for the CRA
project and defer further management of the project to the City Council."
The City Manager reviewed the history of the project through a PowerPoint
presentation. (attached)
Joe Schulke, Schulke, Bittle & Stoddard, said up to this point the construction
plans have been finalized to apply for permits, an electrical engineer has been
retained to design a control panel for the street lights, bathroom, irrigation and
memorial area lighting. He said the Planning and Zoning Commission endorsed
the plan with one-way traffic. He displayed the original plan and proposed plan
on the overhead projector and provided copies to Council (attached) noting he
preferred the first submitted plan because it is easier to observe congestion and
provides more area to maneuver a boat; however both plans will work. He then
displayed an aerial of Vero Beach's Riverside Park's boat ramp which is a similar
layout to Main Street.
Public Comment
Cindy Falco asked how often Mr. Schulke observed the traffic at the Main Street
boat ramps as she has seen many backups and major issues. Mr. Schulke said
his staff has been observing the ramps on recent Saturdays. Ms. Falco said she
has seen many issues in the area and this is a bad idea all the way around.
Mr. Paternoster asked for specific dates and times of his staff observations.
Mr. Schulke respectfully disagreed with her and handed out hand drawn
depictions of current patterns and proposed patterns showing the extended,
improved queuing distance on Main Street and re-routed, safer pedestrian traffic.
(attached)
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6:26 p. m. MOTION by Mr. Neglia and SECOND by Ms. Simchick to extend the CRA
meeting until it is finished passed with a voice vote of 5-0.
Beth Mitchell, Executive Director, Sebastian River Area Chamber of Commerce
said the 600 members of the Chamber, representing 2,000 employees,
supported the project and she re-read the letter of support from the Chamber's
Board of Directors dated July 23, 2007.
Richard Gillmor, 744 Kroegel Avenue, displayed June 27t" pictures showing
boats and trailers blocking Indian River Drive and he noted when boaters are
launching a boat, they are not looking for people or bicyclists and this is definitely
a plus for the community.
Chuck Lever, Sebastian, presented additional petition signatures against the
plan. (see attached)
The Mayor introduced State Representative Ralph Poppell, R-Vero Beach who
said his only comment about the ramp was that he is always concerned about
people backing boat trailers, as he manufactures them, and anytime you can pull
through, the boater is ahead of the game. Representative Poppell said the
F.I.N.D. grant was being turned loose from another project, he was aware of the
City's plans and he earmarked the funds for Sebastian. Mr. Paternoster asked if
there was a 25 year concession on the grant and Representative Poppell
concurred there was.
Roger Birt, 13155 N. Indian River Drive noted he is anon-resident who is very
familiar with the ramp situation, said the project should be re-designed, and the
parking should be better identified to help organize.
James Schmitz, 213 Periwinkle Drive, President, Sebastian Fishing Club said he
has not found anyone in favor of the project yet and the parking lot just needs to
be improved.
Ruth Sullivan, 1215 Indian River Drive, said the petition signators are under the
impression that the park will be eliminated which is not true, the improvements
are needed and she hoped it won't be stalled any longer.
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Lisanne Monier, 1125 US 1, stated for 18 years there have been citizens,
business owners, and government leaders agreeing that a CRA is needed and
this project will kick off the redevelopment hopefully north and south on US 1,
and that will lead to a healthier business community.
Todd Klitenic, 1274 Barber Street, said Council is spending $2.2 million for
recreational fishermen but voted against the floodtide seafood area to help
commercial fishermen.
Damien Gilliams, 1623 US 1, thanked Representative Poppell for his help, said
he will benefit from the project but it is still wrong, the Chamber should move to
the municipal complex, and he asked when approval went through to expand the
Chamber into Jordan Park.
Ms. Simchick pointed out that the Jordan Park deed was discussed at the
October 26, 2005 meeting and subsequently reviewed by the City Attorney.
Don Wright, North Fischer Circle, said as a boater, lanes of Indian River Drive
get blocked when launching a boat, the new plan will make it more comfortable
and it will beautify the area.
Bill Schulke, 1249 Larkspur, said this is a lovely project and asked Council to
consider the piece across from this to have another park.
Patty Crockett, Party Time Limo, said if this goes through, she and the City will
grow together.
The Mayor asked for a show of hands against the project and for the project as
some residents chose not to speak. Mr. Wolff objected to polling by attendance.
The Mayor called for a break at 7:09 p.m. and reconvened the meeting at 7:25
p.m. All members were present.
MOTION by Ms. Simchick and SECOND by Mr. Neglia to authorize expenditure
of the CRA money up to $1 million and defer to City Council for further
management of the project.
Mr. Wolff said he would have liked to discussed the traffic patterns and seen a
scenario of when the lot is full, how will the boats will come in and go out, one-way is
fine with him, beautification is necessary, and his concern all along is the amount of
money that is being spent for the net result. He requested a brief analysis, and what
potential there is for savings with this project.
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The City Manager first asked for clarification of the motion that the $1 million would
be "going forward" because a half million has been spent on the Boudrot property
purchase. Ms. Simchick and Mr. Neglia concurred the $1 million would be going
forward.
The City Manager said if Council wanted to change the project they could but
improvements are still needed such as landscaping, Jordan Park, the existing
parking lot and these would cost about a $1 million and if we think about $1
million versus $1.9 million with the grant money, the worst case scenario is we
would lose grants and still need $50,000 from the CRA funds. He said the best
case scenario is we are tackling storm water quality, and installing a restroom.
Ms. Simchick said she has reviewed former Council deliberations, studied all of
the material, the petition, resident's concerns and reminded everyone that the
City Attorney tasked the CRA to kick up the project to Council to fine tune.
Mr. Neglia said the reason he seconded the motion is that he would like to get on
with this; the overlay is designed to encourage development and redevelopment.
Mr. Paternoster asked about the Jordan Park deed restriction and the City
Attorney advised there are a number of deeds for different pieces of the Park,
and when there is a claim that the use is no longer being used for a park
purpose, the overall use of the parcel is looked at. The City Attorney noted the
primary use of property is for the boat ramp, parking relating to boat ramp,
landscaping/park open space which the nature is park use and overall, the use
doesn't violate park use or public purpose.
Mr. Paternoster asked about 1932 minutes stating block 1 of the Carol Roberts
property is to be set aside as a City park forever indicating a historic district and
he asked the City Attorney if he is clear on historical guidelines.
The City Attorney said the historic district is based on buildings. The City Clerk
said the Chamber building was built in 1958. Mr. Paternoster asked what was
historically designated and the City Attorney said the buildings were included in
an application submitted to the state.
Mr. Paternoster said Mr. Schulke's hand drawn rendition isn't depicted properly
and he would like to see a better strategic report on existing/proposed
conditions, he agrees there needs to be some kind of improvement but he didn't
see how the hub of the City will be boat trailers. He asked the City Manager if
repairs will be done on the boat ramps themselves and the City Manager said
no. He suggested a stop sign to address the implied safety issue, he didn't see
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how this will improve the area, he pointed out if the prime riverfront is taken
away, what will tourists come to see, and he stated the petition asks that the
project be re-engineered not stopped.
Mr. Paternoster spoke again on the 25 year concession with both grants which he felt
should have been transparent from the beginning, and each time this is before them
something else is added that they do not get to review and he could not support the
project at this point.
Mayor Coy said she would defer her comments to the regular Council meeting.
Roll call on the motion was as follows:
Ayes: Neglia, Simchick, Coy
Nays: Paternoster, Wolff
Motion carried 3-2.
The City Manager said for the record, the motion was authorization to transfer the $1
million to the City Council and have Council move forward with the project.
6. NEW BUSINESS -None
7. Being no further business, Mayor Coy adjourned the meeting at 7:53 p.m.
Approved at the August 27, 2ooa CRA meeting.
Andrea Coy, Mayor
ATTEST.
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Sally A. M ' , MMC -City Clerk