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SEBASTIAN CITY COUNCIL
MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2010 6:30 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
1225 MAIN STREET, SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA
1. Mayor Gillmor called the regular meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.
2. Pastor Clifton Cooley of Calvary Baptist Church gave the invocation.
3. The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
4. ROLL CALL
City Council Present:
Mayor Richard H. Gillmor
Council Member Andrea Coy
Council Member Eugene Wolff
Council Member Don Wright
City Council Absent:
Vice -Mayor Jim Hill (excused)
Staff Present:
City Manager, Al Minner
City Attorney, Robert Ginsburg
Deputy City Clerk, Jeanette Williams
Records Program Manager, Donna Cyr
Economic Development Director /Airport Director, Joseph Griffin
Administrative Services Director, Deb Krueger
Finance Director, Ken Killgore
Growth Management Director, Rebecca Grohall
Deputy Police Chief, Greg Witt
Police Captain, Bob Lockhart
MIS Systems Analyst, Rob Messersmith
5. AGENDA MODIFICATIONS
Modifications and additions require unanimous vote of City Council members
Mayor Gillmor asked to move Council Matters after the Consent Agenda due to
the light agenda. All Council Members agreed to this modification.
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6. PROCLAMATIONS, AWARDS, BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS
Presentations of proclamations, certificates and awards, and brief timely announcements by Council and Staff.
No public input or action under this heading.
10.035 A. Proclamation Recognizing Indian River State College's 50 Year Anniversary
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Mayor Gillmor read and presented the proclamation to Dr. David Sullivan, IRSC Provost.
Dr. Sullivan thanked Council and said there are over 500 students on site at the
Sebastian Campus and they look forward to growing.
Brief Announcements
Ms. Coy invited the public to the Sebastian River Area Chamber of Commerce
Concert in Park on March 5 where Remember When Entertainment will be
playing from 5:30 -8:00.
She also announced a car show on Saturday, March 6 from 10:00 to 4:00 p.m.
in Riverside Park in Vero Beach where 300 cars will be displayed.
Mayor Gillmor announced the Sebastian River Art Club Second Annual Treasure
Hunt at Riverview Park would be held this Saturday. He said paintings will be
given away and the public can meet a pirate.
7. CONSENT AGENDA
All items on the consent agenda are considered routine and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no
separate discussion of consent agenda items unless a member City Council so requests; in which event, the item
will be removed and acted upon separately. If a member of the public wishes to provide input on a consent agenda
item, he /she should request a Council Member to remove the item for discussion prior to start of the meeting or by
raising his/her hand to be recognized.
3 -12 A. Approve Minutes 2/10/10 Regular City Council Meeting
10.036 B. Early Retirement Buyout (Administrative Services Transmittal)
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10.037 C. 1686 Indian River Drive Encroachment (City Attorney Transmittal, Letter,
15 -20 License, Exhibits A B)
Mayor Gillmor requested to pull item B.
MOTION by Ms. Coy SECOND by Mr. Wright to approve consent agenda items
A and C were approved with a voice vote of 4 -0.
Item B
The City Manager said this is a continuation of the early retirement buy -out
program which helps reduce staff, provides incentives for employees, and a
$92,000 salary savings for the City in year three.
Mr. Wolff said he understood the savings in year one and three, but the
employee will be 65 in 34 months, and he asked if the City had a mandatory
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retirement. The City Manager explained there is no mandatory retirement and
staff picked five as a round number.
Mr. Wright said he calculated about a $40,000 savings over three years which
justifies this decision and it is a win -win situation.
Public Input
Damien Gilliams, 1623 U.S. Highway 1, said Mr. Wright's calculation is a good
way to look at it but noted Sebastian is the only city that does this and asked why
not a lay -off. He asked what is the total amount that has been spent for this
whole program. He said if we don't have enough money, why do we do this and
where do we stop.
Mayor Gillmor said he appreciated Mr. Gilliams' comments and noted if we spend
$10,000 to save $90,000 in year three, the residents are paying less taxes down
the road. He asked the City Manager how the employee's union deals with lay
offs.
The City Manager said the early retirement program has been in effect for two to
three years and we have spent about $300,000- 500,000, which is exponential, so
if we take 10 early retirements; times $60,000; times three years; it has reduced
personnel by 15% and saved substantial money. He said he would get the
program's numbers to Council.
The City Manager said the collective bargaining agreement mandates working
around bumping rights if a riff is done, noting a higher salaried employee can
bump a lower salaried employee so not much is saved.
Mr. Wright said he appreciated Mr. Gilliams' comments, and noted we are paying
for this out of the savings we have accumulated since program's inception.
Mr. Gilliams said laid off employees do have unemployment insurance and in the
end can we can always bring people back. He asked if Council had it in writing
that these people won't be brought back in three to five years.
Ms. Coy thanked the City and the employee who has chosen to do this. She
pointed out that employees that come back will do so at the entry level salary.
She said we are way ahead of our neighbors.
Mr. Wolff said he is fine with the buyout, and even the three year savings is a
significant amount of money.
MOTION by Mr. Wolff and SECOND by Ms. Coy to authorize the City Manager to
spend $20,000 to provide the early retirement option to Leeford Richards.
Result of the roll call vote:
AYES: Coy, Wolff, Wright, Gillmor
NAYS: 0
Motion Carried
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8. CITY COUNCIL MATTERS
Mayor Gillmor distributed a Dilbert cartoon humoring how some PowerPoint
presentations are boring and asked Council to consider putting a time limit on
presentations as some folk's presentations seem to go on forever. He also cited
that he watched a recent presentation where a budget figure was glossed over
and he suggested obtaining copies of presentations before the meeting.
Mr. Wright said it would be more appropriate to have an agreed time frame.
Ms. Coy said she didn't remember any lengthy, snoozing presentations; she
didn't have any problem with the short presentations where they were; and she
suggested putting long presentations on other places of the agenda.
Mayor Gillmor said if someone is coming for money, he would like to check it out,
see a spreadsheet. He said he didn't think it was out of question to get a
presentation to Council ahead of time.
Mr. Wolff said Council would be doing the Western Civilization and Local
Government a service if we banned verbatim reading of PowerPoint
presentations. He said it is good for Mayor Gillmor to call presentators for figures
or ask them to stop if they present in depth, without reference, and he is willing to
work with the Mayor.
New Item
7:06 pm Mayor Gillmor said economic development and jobs are on everybody's minds
and he asked the latitude or scope of how comfortable Council Members would
be telling someone of Sebastian's incentives.
Mr. Wright stated the need for confidentiality was incorporated into the economic
development regulations and this came up with the County on Monday. He
suggested an executive session depending on the right set of circumstances.
Mayor Gillmor replied that if Council acts on their own, they can bring up
something cooking under their matters knowing a decision will be made together.
He said that for example if Council Member Wolff came across someone in real
estate or agriculture he would be the person to talk to them, and then bring them
to the Economic Development Director or City Manager.
Mr. Wolff said he appreciated the time to discuss this and if he knew of someone
who wanted to set up food processing plant; he would feel more comfortable
handing the individual over to the Economic Development Director. He said in
order for the project to be successful, the Tess the elected officials are involved,
the more it seems not to be a pet project; noting he wasn't comfortable with the
way the Dodger deal was handled as local talent wasn't tapped, it was done in
secret and then scuttled. He also reminded how Piper was looking for
substantial investment. He agreed that everyone needs to be a representative of
Sebastian and tap Council Member's talents with a balance for success.
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Ms. Coy said they need to be ambassadors for the City, she is very cautious of
what she says to whom, as she is one vote of five; but she would commit to
expediting the process for any one interested in coming to the City.
Mr. Wright said as a commercial real estate agent, he has referred two
businesses to the Economic Development Director, has made some
introductions, and has no problem making an introduction but he is careful of City
assets being used. He said if someone is interested in private property, he would
work the deal as a commercial businessman but excuse himself from the vote,
however, City property is the most attractive commercial area which he forwards
leads to the City Manager.
Mayor Gilimor said they are all ambassadors and if there is anything they can do,
they should take the initiative on and then bring people up to speed at public
meetings.
Ms. Coy said she understands everyone's concern regarding economic
development but she wanted to caution that not everything is a matter of
economic development and sometimes officials are using the term too frequently.
She suggested focusing on what is economic development and where are we
going to focus Council's efforts.
Mr. Wolff suggested defining our community which we will have a better idea
after the census is over.
Council Member Wright
Mr. Wright said the St. Johns Water Management District (SJRWD) will meet
March 5 to discuss the enforcement of local government water conservation
ordinances, which requires the local government to adopt and enforce their
landscape irrigation requirements which he finds this extremely objectionable.
He noted that if he had another day of watering, his lawn would not have brown
areas.
He said the second item to be looked at is landscape irrigation system
design /installation constraints regarding the development of residential property
which will tell developers how to landscape around residential homes. He
believes the SJRWMD has gone way beyond what they are charged with.
He continued to say the third item was if municipalities don't comply, they would
enforce conservation through the Environmental Resource Permit (ERP) a
program which will prevent municipalities from receiving permits, which will have
a negative effective on building, construction, and trade industry. He said they
would also use consumptive use permitting to force local governments to enforce
their recommended regulations.
Mr. Wright said we have more rainfall than any other state and SJRWMD does
nothing to preserve surface water as a viable water resource, and these types of
restrictions are extremely onerous. He suggested attending the meeting to
express objections or meet with state legislators.
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Ms. Coy said while she didn't always agree with SJRWD, she is concerned with
the water supply as they are finding the aquifer wasn't as big as they were told.
She noted the water supply in Las Vegas is non existent, and they are talking
about expensive piping in from California and desalizations plants.
*addressing
Mr. Wright said he is not tofleefried -with the need to conserve but that SJRWD
has relied too much on the property owner and they are not making an effort to
build surface water facilities; which once built is too expensive to convert to
drinking water. He said their entire focus has been on conservation and they
want the City to pay the cost of enforcing their ordinance.
Mayor Gillmor suggested having the City Attorney look into the ramifications if we
did not enforce their ordinance.
The City Attorney reminded Council that staff did present an ordinance that
would have brought us into compliance a year ago but it was not adopted. He
noted we are not enforcing the City's ordinance or SJRWMD's regulations; and
without an ordinance, the City officers are not authorized to enforce SJRWMD's
regulations. He offered to see where other municipalities are going with this.
Mr. Wright said the meeting is March 5, and Council should consider objecting to
the enforcement of their regulations.
Ms. Coy said the City already has the people, but Council didn't even discuss it
the ordinance a year ago, she is not supportive of taking away home rule but in
support of conservation efforts.
Mr. Wolff agreed with Mr. Wright, noting the residential homeowner is an easy
target for SJRWD, as agriculture has money and attorneys. He noted the
SJRWMD Board is very receptive, and he wouldn't rule out sending a letter
expressing Council's opinion.
Ms. Coy suggested sending a representative to the meeting to request that they
not interfere with our home rule to maintain our ordinance.
Mr. Wright said the City has been very responsive with conservation, SJRWD
seems to be going tighter, and tighter, and soon it will be one day a week. He
suggested that the City Attorney do a quick review of the meeting agenda as we
don't want SJRWMD to pass ordinances that we have to enforce.
The Mayor called for a recess at 7:47 p.m. and reconvened the meeting at 7:57
p.m., all members were present.
Council Matters Continued
A. Vice Mayor Hill absent
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B. Council Member Cov
Ms. Coy asked when the next CRA is meeting. The City Manager replied March
10 Ms. Coy asked that the Working Waterfront, economic development of the
CRA, and Main Street improvements such as lowering the speed limit, be
addressed at the meeting.
C. Council Member Wolff
Mr. Wolff mentioned a telephone message received from an individual, along
with maybe eight others, affected by the recent Go -Line changes. He said he
contacted Karen Deigl of the Senior Resources Center to ask about the changes
and Ms. Deigl indicated she would like to come to Council to explain the recent
changes and what they are working on. Mr. Wolff also mentioned that if anyone
is affected by the changes and there isn't a stop within a quarter mile within their
home, they can call the Go -line and they will take individual to stop.
D. Mayor Gillmor previously addressed.
9. COMMITTEE REPORTS APPOINTMENTS none.
10. PUBLIC HEARINGS none.
11. UNFINISHED BUSINESS none.
12. PUBLIC INPUT
Damien Gilliams, 1623 U.S. Highway 1, said he was at the Economic Summit
and everybody was missing the big point which is thinking we have to develop
big programs to bring new business to the community when 90% of the
businesses in the country are small businesses. He said we are constantly
thinking about big businesses who want skills. He suggested starting a program
with college kids to survey the community and report the problems of the small
business community because that is where the jobs are.
He said Council was right in saying no to Piper. He said if we fertilizer the
existing businesses and you will have jobs; get rid of occupational license for one
year to help the small moms and pops.
13. NEW BUSINESS
10.038 A. Resolution No. R -10 -04 Adopting First Quarter Amendments to the
21 -44 FY09 /10 Budget (Admin. Services, R- 10 -04, Comparison, Status Reports,
Schedule, Accomplishments)
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN, INDIAN RIVER COUNTY, FLORIDA
ADOPTING AN AMENDED BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER
1, 2009 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2010 AS PROVIDED FOR IN EXHIBIT "A
PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
The City Attorney read Resolution No. R -10 -04 by title.
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MOTION by Ms. Coy and SECOND by Mr. Wright to approve Resolution No. R-
10-04, adopting first quarter amendments to the FY09 /10 budget.
There was no public input.
Mr. Wright said the process is moving forward nicely, giving Council and the
Budget Committee maximum time to review details and understand income
expenses so they can make the best decisions when they have to vote on this in
the fall.
Result of the roll call vote:
AYES: Coy, Wolff, Wright, Gilimor
NAYS: 0
Motion carried.
10.039 B. Approve the Budget Preparation Calendar for FY10/11 (Admin. Services
45 -47 Transmittal, Proposed Calendar)
MOTION by Mayor Gillmor and SECOND by Mr. Wright to approve the budget
preparation calendar for FY10/11.
Result of the roll call vote:
AYES: Wolff, Wright, Gilimor, Coy
NAYS: 0
Motion carried.
14. CITY ATTORNEY MATTER none.
15. CITY MANAGER MATTERS
10.040 A. Sebastian Dog Park Update (City Manager Transmittal, Minutes)
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The City Manager said the Parks and Recreation Committee met and
unanimously recommended naming the City's dog park, "Sebastian Bark Park."
The City Manager said he will make sure it is officially named.
The City Manager asked Council to consider changing the monthly meeting
schedule to maybe having a workshop quarterly or once a month instead of two
meetings. He said coming up he would like to talk about the discretionary sales
tax, CRA expenses, and recreational impact fees.
In response to Mr. Wright, the City Manager said they could be joint workshop
sessions with the committees. He asked Council to e-mail him ideas to include
on the workshop agenda and he offered to call the first April meeting a workshop.
There was no objection from Council.
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ATTES
Sally A. Maiā¢, MMC City Clerk
Mayor Gillmor asked if a particular item would have to be noticed to take action.
The City Attorney advised Council that action would not be taken at a workshop
but can be brought forward to a meeting for action.
Mr. Wright said this would give the community more opportunity to participate in
government.
On behalf of himself and his family, the City Manager thanked Council and
everyone for the accolades and well wishes they have received on the birth of his
son; and he wished his wife a happy 14 wedding anniversary.
16. CITY CLERK MATTERS none.
17. Being no further business, Mayor Gillmor adjourned the regular City Council
meeting at 8:13 p.m.
Approved at the March 10th, 2010 Regular City Council Meeting as amended on page 6.
illmor, Mayor