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2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
3. ROLL CALL
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. April 11, 2011 (Draft Minutes)
5. PUBLIC INPUT
6. OLD BUSINESS
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CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING
AGENDA
TUESDAY, APRIL 26, 2011 6:00 P.M.
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1. Chairperson Louise Kautenburg called the meeting to order at
2. The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
3. ROLL CALL
Present:
Bob Daberkow
John Danise
Linda DeSanctis
Ed Dodd
Dan Dragonetti
Jeanne Hill
Louise Kautenburg, Chair
Janet Kennedy
Mary McGee
Bob McPartlan
Carolyn Sartain- Anderson
Ruth Sullivan
Bob Zomok, Vice Chair
Absent:
Adrina Davis (excused)
CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING
MINUTES
MONDAY, APRIL 11, 2011 6:00 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
1225 MAIN STREET, SEBASTIAN, FLORIDA
Staff Present:
City Attorney, Robert Ginsburg
City Clerk, Sally Maio
Deputy City Clerk, Jeanette Williams
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4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
a. March 14, 2011
MOTION by Mr. Dragonetti and SECOND by Mr. Zomok to approve the minutes
passed on unanimously.
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5. PUBLIC INPUT None at this time.
6. OLD BUSINESS:
A. Consider Conducting Two Public Hearings in May and Making Presentation to
City Council on June 8th in Keeping with Charter Provision for City Council to CaII
General Election by Resolution by End of July (Memo, Calendar)
Chairperson Kautenburg suggested holding this item in abeyance until it could be
determined whether extra meetings would be needed, and there was no objection.
In response to Mrs. Sullivan, Ms. Kautenburg said the committee will touch on each
issue previously addressed again.
7. NEW BUSINESS
a. Continuation of Priority List Review and Discussion
Section 3.03 Removal [of Charter Officer/
Mr. Dodd said the existing removal language needs to be rewritten because it does not
indicate a clear path or sequence of events.
The City Attorney, at the request of Mr. Dragonetti, who noted the City Attorney had
brought this to the committee's attention previously, said that Charter Officers work at
the will of the Council and if Council is not comfortable with the Charter Officer they
should have the ability to deal with it. He read suggested language eliminating the
procedures for removal, which would leave it at removal with or without cause.
Mr. Danise asked if the Charter officer contracts spell out a period of time, and said he
understands the "with cause" clause, but noted in this country people have also been
gotten rid of because they get in the way.
In response to Mr. Zomok, the City Clerk said their contracts have no expiration, they are
evaluated each year, and in her opinion and that of her predecessor, if three people
want you gone, it's time to go.
Mr. Dodd noted the way the last Charter Officer was fired opened up the City to liability,
and Mr. Dragonetti said the public would have input as well if it were being considered.
Sal Neglia spoke from the audience, suggesting that a portion of paragraph (b) should
remain in (a), and the City Attorney responded, from his point of view, under the
Sunshine Law any anticipated action to terminate a charter officer would have to be
done at a public meeting, and that he believed there was no necessity for written
charges.
Mr. Zomok asked him whether we are working under the doctrine of employment at will,
and the City Attorney said yes, the Charter Officers work at the pleasure of the City
Council, and the doctrine of at will employment applies here, though a Charter Officer
couldn't be fired for an illegal reason such as "no women can work here
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MOTION by Mr. Daberkow and SECOND by Mr. Dragonetti to accept the City Attorney's
wording (eliminating paragraph b) passed.
Section 3.04 City Manager; powers and duties
Chairperson Kautenburg said the City Manager's duties should be very vague and
outlined by Council from time to time.
Mr. Zomok read from the model charter language he had previously provided, and said
the Charter language should be more detailed. Mrs. Sullivan said we need specific
outlines for the City Manager duties, and Ms. Kautenburg agreed but that it should not
be so specific. Mr. Danise said he would like to see the language stay as it is, because
if we propose too many things we won't get anything done. Mr. Daberkow agreed with
him.
Mr. Zomok said coming from the perspective of the employee, the model lists more of
what is expected and is more detailed than what is in our language now. Mr. Dodd said
he served as a CEO, and while adding to the list may be appropriate, delineating all the
responsibilities in the Charter would be impossible. He said quantifiable objectives need
to be set each year by Council. Ms. Kennedy asked if there had ever been a problem
where the City Manager went against the will of the Council.
Following some further discussion, and question by Ms. Sartain- Anderson, the City
Attorney said he would not propose any changes to 3.04.
MOTION by Mr. Danise and SECOND by Mr. Dragonetti to leave 3.04 as is passed on a
12 -1 vote (Zomok nay)
Section 3.06 Police Department
Mr. Dodd suggested this section be removed because the City Manager manages the
Chief and it should not be in the Charter. Mrs. Sullivan said she would be concerned if it
were removed, that we would not have the protection of keeping a Police Department.
Ms. Kennedy noted that a Police Department was turned over to a county in another
area and Mr. Dodd said this also happened in Deerfield. Ms. Kennedy said removing the
language from the Charter may confuse voters as to the motive for doing so. Ms.
Kautenburg said there are people here who want to merge, and Mr. Danise said there
are some people who think the Police Department is not professional and said removal
of this language might create a problem. Mr. Dodd said this should have all been pulled
out five years ago, and keeping it in may be an impediment to the City Manager.
MOTION by Mr. Zomok and SECOND by Ms. Sartain- Anderson to remove 3.06 failed (3
for [Zomok, Dodd and Sartain- Anderson] 10 against)
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Section 4.04 Special election for other purposes
Mr. Dodd asked if we need to propose renumbering Charter sections to eliminate breaks
in the section numbers, and the City Attorney responded he had brought this up earlier
in their discussions for an administrative clean up question but the committee decided
not to do that, and suggested maybe in the future this could be done. The City Attorney
explained Section 4.04 and recommended it stay in place in the event of the need for a
special election.
MOTION by Mr. Dodd and SECOND by Ms. Kennedy that no changes be made to 4.04
passed unanimously.
The City Clerk said she and the City Attorney had discussed Section 4.07 prior to the
meeting and asked that the City Attorney explain their concerns.
The City Attorney said he would prefer to see this section out because the Charter
already requires us to follow Florida law, it is awkward in its time frame, and certain of its
provisions are repetitive.
Mr. Dodd asked if 4.08 would change the need for canvassing if we went to every other
year terms. The Clerk noted that we would still need to canvass special elections if they
were to occur.
Ms. Kautenburg suggested putting this on hold to see what the resulting list looks like.
Mr. Dragonetti suggested we not put anything on hold but vote on it. Ms. Kennedy
suggested grouping items together and looking at the whole picture. Mr. Dodd
suggested looking to the City Attorney to see if it can be put into one question. Mrs.
Sullivan asked if it will be explained to the public that the County will be taking care of
these things and said with this long list of things, putting them together is a good idea.
The City Attorney said questions are legally limited to 75 words and the courts require
we explain what the change is and where it is coming from. He said he will do that when
he attempts to draft the new language, and with regard to legality, you can address
many sections in a single question. He said some things ought to be removed like 4.07,
but if you combine issues and for instance, the public rejects the four year terms, they
may vote down other issues.
Mr. Dodd said maybe 4.07 needs to stand on its own.
MOTION by Mr. Dodd and SECOND by Mr. Dragonetti to remove 4.07 passed
unanimously.
Mr. Danise asked for a show of hands of the people for whom more than a half dozen
people have contacted them about the Charter. A little less than half raised their hands.
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Section 4.08 (c) [Monday special meeting may changel
The City Attorney noted the conflict in this section is in paragraph (c) which references
the Monday special meeting for swearing in, citing it is also in Section 2.03, reminding
the committee that he had suggested pushing back the swearing in to accommodate
state law on certification of results by the Supervisor of Elections, which the committee
has agreed to. He said, however, even if voters agreed to every other even numbered
year elections, paragraphs (a) and (b) requiring city canvassing should remain in the
event of the call of a special election. There was no objection to the change to
paragraph (c).
Section 4.12 Election procedures; tie vote
The City Attorney said at one time in Sebastian, ties were decided by lot then changed
to requiring a special election, that he and the City Clerk agree with going back to lot in
keeping with Florida Statutes, and consistent with this Committee's policy on special
elections.
Ms. Kennedy asked if paragraph (a), which refers to two year terms, would have to be
changed if we go to every other year elections, and the City Attorney said yes to make it
all consistent.
MOTION by Mr. Dodd and Ms. Kennedy to agree with the recommendation on 4.08
passed unanimously.
Section 4.13 Conduct of candidates for election office
The City Attorney said 4.13, a repeat of 2.09, should be deleted, and said he had
provided new language for 2.09 (see attached). He said this gives authority for
determination of violations to the courts rather than the City Council.
MOTION by Mr. Danise and SECOND by Ms. DeSanctis to delete 4.13 passed
unanimously.
Section 5.03 Charter Review Committee
Mr. Daberkow suggested the committee meet every four years. Mr. Danise said
there is no need to meet less than every ten years. Mr. Zomok said he would like
to meet every two years. Mr. Dodd said he was in favor of a longer term. Mrs.
Sullivan suggested no less than five years, reminding the members it is a charter
not an ordinance. Ms. Kautenburg said five years is fine, noting it started out at
every seven years, and said this group works well together so the size of the
committee is fine and would vote for no change.
Mr. Zomok said we are leaving things undone and perhaps it could be done in
smaller pieces. Mr. Dodd said the worst thing they can do is inundate voters.
MOTION by Mr. Dragonetti and SECOND by Mr. Dodd to leave 5.03 as it is
passed on a 12 -1 vote (Zomok opposed).
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Discussion took place on the schedule and public hearings. The City Attorney
said the City Clerk needs to be authorized to advertise the public hearings.
Mrs. Sullivan asked if scheduling the public hearings will eliminate the possibility
of making other changes and will both hearings be on the same issues. The City
Attorney said there will be two hearings on anything the public wants to address
and the committee can make changes to their recommendation based on input
received.
At this time, the Committee chose April 26 at 6 pm for an additional meeting to
review all of the changes previously recommended, and May 12 and 26 at 6 pm
for the advertised public hearings.
Mrs. Sullivan suggested that language be included in the Charter that requires
Council Members to submit documentation for payment of the $300 per month
expense account that is set out in the Code of Ordinances, or put a provision in
the Charter for a cost of living increase. Ms. Kautenburg said the expense
account is not part of the Charter, and Mrs. Sullivan said we can add it.
Mr. Dodd said expense account language is in the Code and is an IRS issue, and
Mrs. Sullivan said verification of expense should be provided. Ms. Kautenburg
said she did not disagree, but that it could be done at a Council meeting by
ordinance. The Clerk noted the $300 expense account includes all their travel
within 75 miles, so the Council does not get extra mileage for that travel as other
employees do.
Sal Neglia asked from the audience, what if you spend more than $300 and Mrs.
Sullivan said that is why she suggested a COLA. Mr. Danise said this topic gets
them off track and they should stay away from it for now.
Mr. Dodd suggested that the committee stay after the May 26 hearing to
complete their recommendation to Council and all agreed.
The City Attorney submitted his final draft 2.03 amendment for review (see
attached),
8. Being no further business, Ms. Kautenburg adjourned the meeting at 7:34 p.m.
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MINUTES EXCERPTS FROM MARCH AND APRIL MEETINGS RECOMMENDED
ACTIONS
Section 1.02 (1) Extraterritorial power— remove poor houses
Section 1.02 (6) Dairies and stock remove dairies and slaughter houses
The City Attorney said he thought there was lot of wisdom in what has been said, and yes, they could
consolidate some administrative issues but you don't have to. He said they have some very important
issues in front of them that would change the way Sebastian has done things for years, and this may
not be the year to change those other technical issues. He suggested putting them on the back burner
and, at the end of deliberation, then see what you might want to add.
Chairperson Kautenburg asked for a general consensus as to whether the committee wanted to deal
with the most important issues and put these smaller issues on "layaway" It was the consensus of the
Committee to do that.
Section 2.03 Election
Section 2.04 Terms
MOTION by Mr. Dragonetti and SECOND by Mr. Davis for no change. In favor six hands raised out
of thirteen members. Failed.
MOTION by Mr. Danise and SECOND by Mr. Daberkow to go to even year elections for four year terms
Nine hands raised out of thirteen members. Passed.
Ms. McGee asked if Council rejects the recommendation, will it stay the way it is, and Chairperson
Kautenburg said they could approve, change or reject the recommendation.
The City Attorney said in paragraph B there is a reference as to when the terms begin, and that he and
the City Clerk recommend this be changed to a regular meeting at least two weeks after the election,
which gives the election office time to certify the election, noting we are lucky to get the certification in
time if there are no protests and no contests of the election.
The City Attorney said the swearing in is a positive event after an election, there is enthusiasm, and
families are present to get the new Council off to a good start; but the way the Charter is written is
awkward, because you may have people on the sitting council who don't come, and that he and the
Clerk recommend two weeks between the election and the swearing in. It was noted that people on the
sitting council not showing up has occurred in the past.
MOTION by Mr. Dodd and SECOND by Mr. Danise to make that change and all thirteen were in favor.
The City Attorney submitted his final draft 2.03 amendment for review at 4/11/11 meeting (see
attached),
Section 2.05 Compensation; expenses
MOTION by Mr. Dragonetti and SECOND by Ms. DeSanctis for no changes to compensation.
Chairperson Kautenburg asked for a show of hands in favor of keeping it the way it is, and there were
12 hands raised in favor and 1 opposed. Passed.
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Section 2.06 Mayor; vice mayor
Mr. Zomok noted the need to make a change in this section to tie in with the 2.04 recommended
change (terms and time of swearing in). The City Attorney also noted it.
MOTION by Mr. Dodd and SECOND by Mr. McPartlan for no changes to Mayor being elected by
Council members. There was no one in opposition. No changes were recommended by the committee
to Mayor duties.
Section 2.08 Vacancies; forfeiture of office; filling of vacancies
All agreed to hold on this section and to have the City Attorney bring back amended language for them
to look at. (language provided on 4/11/11)
Section 2.09 Judge of qualifications
MOTION by Mr. Dodd to bring back language to replace 2.08 and 2.09.
MOTION by Mr. Dodd and SECOND by Mr. Davis to delete 2.09 from Charter. There was no opposition
to its removal.
Section 2.10 City council- employee relationship conflict with 2.11
Section 2.11 Investigations
MOTION by Mr. Dragonetti and SECOND by Mr. Dodd to delete the last sentence in 2.11.
Mr. Zomok asked if the word "lawful" in 2.11 acts as a modifier, and the City Attorney responded that it
can't be a lawful order to a municipal employee other than a Charter officer, so you don't need the last
sentence, because if someone refuses a subpoena you can go to the courts.
Chairperson Kautenburg asked if anyone was opposed to deleting the sentence and five members
raised their hands as being opposed, so since the majority did not raise their hands the last sentence
will be recommended for deletion in 2.11.
There was a little further discussion on whether the change was necessary though not enforceable, and
Chairperson Kautenburg said it had already been voted on, but members will get another pass at all the
sections when they are reviewed again.
Section 2.12 Procedure
Section 2.14 Codes of technical regulations
Section 2.15 (b) codification and 2.15 (c) printing of ordinances and resolutions
The City Clerk noted before they closed, if they wanted to move past Chapter Two, that she had
spoken earlier to the City Attorney on the next three sections 2.12, 2.14 and 2.15, which she had
originally brought up to the committee, advising that it was not necessary to change those sections,
because it won't really change anything that is being done at this time in regard to these issues except
that some of what her staff does now is done in other ways, such as electronically rather than on paper.
There was no objection to leaving them as is.
Section 3.03 Removal [of Charter Officer]
MOTION by Mr. Daberkow and SECOND by Mr. Dragonetti to accept the City Attorney's wording
(eliminating paragraph b) passed.
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Section 3.04 City Manager; powers and duties
MOTION by Mr. Danise and SECOND by Mr. Dragonetti to leave 3.04 as is passed on a 12 -1 vote
(Zomok nay)
Section 3.06 Police Department
MOTION by Mr. Zomok and SECOND by Ms. Sartain- Anderson to remove 3.06 failed (3 for [Zomok,
Dodd and Sartain- Anderson] 10 against)
Section 4.04 Special election for other purposes
MOTION by Mr. Dodd and SECOND by Ms. Kennedy that no changes be made to 4.04 passed
unanimously.
Section 4.07 Elections -How arranged; inspectors and clerks.
The City Attorney said he would prefer to see this section out because the Charter already requires us
to follow Florida law, it is awkward in its time frame, and certain of its provisions are repetitive.
MOTION by Mr. Dodd and SECOND by Mr. Dragonetti to remove 4.07 passed unanimously.
Section 4.08 (c) fMonday special meeting may changel
The City Attorney noted the conflict in this section is in paragraph (c) which references the Monday
special meeting for swearing in, citing it is also in Section 2.03, reminding the committee that he had
suggested pushing back the swearing in to accommodate state law on certification of results by the
Supervisor of Elections, which the committee has agreed to. He said, however, even if voters agreed
to every other even numbered year elections, paragraphs (a) and (b) requiring city canvassing should
remain in the event of the call of a special election. There was no objection to the change to paragraph
(c).
Section 4.12 Election procedures; tie vote
The City Attorney said at one time in Sebastian, ties were decided by lot then changed to requiring a
special election, that he and the City Clerk agree with going back to lot in keeping with Florida Statutes,
and consistent with this Committee's policy on special elections.
Ms. Kennedy asked if paragraph (a), which refers to two year terms, would have to be changed if we go
to every other year elections, and the City Attorney said yes to make it all consistent.
MOTION by Mr. Dodd and Ms. Kennedy to agree with the recommendation on 4.08 passed
unanimously.
Section 4.13 Conduct of candidates for election office
The City Attorney said 4.13, a repeat of 2.09, should be deleted, and said he had provided new
language for 2.09 (see attached). He said this gives authority for determination of violations to the
courts rather than the City Council.
MOTION by Mr. Danise and SECOND by Ms. DeSanctis to delete 4.13 passed unanimously.
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Section 5.03 Charter Review Committee
MOTION by Mr. Dragonetti and SECOND by Mr. Dodd to leave 5.03 as it is passed on a 12 -1 vote
(Zomok opposed).
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